# Boycott Star Trek 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 27, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126 "2013-03-27T19:13:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/141 "2013-03-28T22:09:46Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > That’s because it’s from the future, AFTER every ST incarnation. So this Kirk lives years after the old Kirk even though the parallel universe did not occur until his birth? Please explain. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/142 "2013-03-28T22:24:24Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So this Kirk lives And thus there will be no peace. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/143 "2013-03-28T22:55:10Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > And thus there will be no peace. I’ll remember this well… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/144 "2013-03-28T22:58:20Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > And thus there will be no peace. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/145 "2013-03-28T23:21:14Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > We need to get Kirk aboard the Enterprise. Let’s invent transwarp which was never hinted at in ST:Any Incarnation. [Ahem.](http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Transwarp) Transwarp has been discovered and rediscovered at least a half-dozen times in the Trekverse, most notably by the Borg (whose technology was introduced into the 23rd c. by way of the Nerada and Ambassador Spock’s ship). ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/146 "2013-03-29T00:27:22Z")
Whoa-hooo-whooaaa! Waiiiiit a sec… Time travel? In a _Star Trek_ movie?! ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/147 "2013-03-29T00:38:28Z")
I heard a rumor that Spock built C-3PO and has a lot of midichlorians! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/148 "2013-03-29T00:38:53Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Whoa-hooo-whooaaa! Waiiiiit a sec… Time travel? In a _Star Trek_ movie?! “This isn’t another Kirk case, is it? I _hate_ Kirk cases.” ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/149 "2013-03-29T00:49:36Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > I heard a rumor that Spock built C-3PO and has a lot of midichlorians! 😃 Okay. That’s just… illogical. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/150 "2013-03-29T01:34:35Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > I heard a rumor that Spock built C-3PO and has a lot of midichlorians! 😃 what? next you’ll tell me that Uhura is his sister - If you’re not going to take this seriously… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/151 "2013-03-29T01:40:36Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > “This isn’t another Kirk case, is it? I _hate_ Kirk cases.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/152 "2013-03-29T01:41:59Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > DeForest Kelley (McCoy/Bones) has been dead for 14 years now, and James Doohan (Scotty) for eight. Also, despite seeing him do more acting work in the last 3 years than the prior 20 years leading up to it, Leonard Nimoy is retired. > > I’m guessing Paramount would have one hell of a time getting them to reprise their roles. I know all that; it’s why I’m embittered about the whole Star Trek thing. I guess what I really want is an alternate timeline in my own life, where Gunsmoke lasted three years, and Star Trek lasted twenty (and I got to watch it). Anybody got any red matter? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/153 "2013-03-29T01:49:14Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I guess what I really want is an alternate timeline in my own life, where Gunsmoke lasted three years, and Star Trek lasted twenty (and I got to watch it). I want one where Adam West played Captain Kirk while William Shatner played Bruce Wayne. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/154 "2013-03-29T01:50:56Z")
That would be AWESOME! Oh, we _so_ have to make that one happen! ---
**Author:** ![Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harvey_The_Heavy)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/155 "2013-03-29T11:16:52Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So this Kirk lives years after the old Kirk even though the parallel universe did not occur until his birth? Please explain. He means that Scotty Prime came up with transwarp after every incarnation of Star Trek. You do remember that both Spock and Scotty were alive during TNG, right? I agree with Airk; this is getting insane. How can anyone get their panties in a bind over plot holes after watching Star Trek for over 40 years? Isn’t everyone used to them by now? Why is it so hard to believe that Carol Marcus was such a firecracker 20 years before Wrath of Khan? Here’s what [Bibi Besch](http://photos.lucywho.com/bibi-besch-photo-gallery-c17294464.html) looked like in 1972. Who says the Admiral Archer Scotty alluded to is the same guy from Enterprise? It could just as well be his son or some other relative. How did they dispense with Ponn Farr? _Kirk_ doesn’t even get laid in the movie, and you expect to catch Spock on his seven year cycle? The biggest plot hole to me is one I never see anyone mention: Bruce Greenwood is way too old to be Pike. Him and Kirk are supposed to be “about the same age”, and the new timeline shouldn’t have changed that. But oh well. Plot hole or not, Greenwood was awesome. I can’t believe people let shit like this ruin a movie for them. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/156 "2013-03-29T11:50:17Z")
> [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](#): > > The biggest plot hole to me is one I never see anyone mention: Bruce Greenwood is way too old to be Pike. Him and Kirk are supposed to be “about the same age” Are they? Kirk was around 34, very young for his position (I believe it was noted during TOS that he was the youngest “Starship Captain” in Starfleet), and Pike had been in that same position ~11 years earlier, so I put Pike at least 15 years older than Kirk. I saw a number of inconsistencies with TOS that the “timeline shift” didn’t cover (though they didn’t affect my opinion of the movie) and this one escaped me. ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/157 "2013-03-29T13:45:22Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Does Sarek say that in the 2009 movie? I came in somewhere about the time that “Kirk” is cheating on the _Kobayashi Maru_ test, and didn’t see the first five minutes. I just happened to watch the movie again last night, and the Kobayashi Maru sequence is a half hour into the movie, so you missed quite a bit before that. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/158 "2013-03-29T13:51:27Z")
> [@edwards\_beard](#): > > I just happened to watch the movie again last night, and the Kobayashi Maru sequence is a half hour into the movie, so you missed quite a bit before that. Heck, that means he missed Thor deriding the name Tiberius! ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/159 "2013-03-29T14:02:22Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > It’s already begun. Carol Marcus is a homely mom, not a lingerie model. [Let me show you something that will make you feel young as when the world was new…](http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/alice-eve-star-trek-into-darkness-carol-marcus-underwear-600x461.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/boycott-star-trek-2/654126/160 "2013-03-29T15:45:11Z")
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