No, you didn’t.
I’m sorry, but there is another thread about a woman getting jail time for simply text messaging and people are “Yeah! She should go to jail!”. And now this thread where a woman ACTUALLY SHOOTS AND KILLS someone, and people are “I don’t think she should go to jail” :dubious::dubious:
I just don’t get it 
It’s because people place a lot of emphasis on intent. The texting lady had nefarious intent, this woman probably had no such intent.
I don’t know what I agree intent should be a factor in the consideration of whether one is guilty of manslaughter, but it seems clear to me that some people think it should be.
Do you mean because it only included a quote and the gist of the information, rather than being properly sourced? Okay. Now that I am back on my computer, here you go:
Or did you mean because the information was incorrect? Because as I said in my earlier post, that’s entirely possible. Do you have information that contradicts what this page says, or evidence that I’m misinterpreting? As I said, I’d be happy to acknowledge my error if indeed I am wrong.
I’m not seeing many people who don’t think she’s guilty of manslaughter. The debate seems to be whether she needs to be locked up. Those should be two very separate issues. (but unfortunately are often lumped together)
I think whether she needs to be locked up depends on how dangerous she actually is. I don’t feel I’m in a position to evaluate that. I don’t think people should be incarcerated as ‘‘punishment’’ but rather to prevent harm from coming to others.
I don;t think we have nearly enough information to determine whether the shooter should go to jail. I’;d say that a number of posters are jumping the gun. (But that would be inappropriate.)
I am intrigued, though, with the idea that the shooter should not be punished with jail time because a) the boyfriend told her to do it and b) he told her he’d done it before and it was A-okay.
First, I’m intrigued by this because, well, I have spent my career working with elementary school aged children, and they are extremely quick to say whatever they can think of that will get them off the hook if they land in trouble. In particular, I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard “but [someone else] told me to do it.” Do we have independent confirmation that the man in this scenario told the woman to fire the gun, or that he really did say he’d done it before with no ill effects? Because that sure sounds exactly like what seven- and eight-year-olds say to deflect blame from themselves, and I’m not sure why an adult would be any different. Maybe I’m just too much of a cynic.
And also I’m intrigued because I’m having a hard time seeing this as an acceptable excuse in other scenarios. Consider:
Man: hey, get up and let’s go to the car. I need you to drive me to my mom’s house.
Woman: but I’m drunk.
Man: s’okay, I need you to do it, and anyway, I’ve driven with drunk people before and nothing ever happend.
Woman: oh, that’s all right, then, lemme get the keys.
Three minutes later:
cccccccrrrrrrraaaaaaashshshshshshshsh
Dead boyfriend.
It just doesn’t seem like “He told me, and he said he’d done it with no ill effects” is especially compelling in this scenario. I’m curious about what other people see as the difference, or maybe they think that my scenario also lets the driver off the hook where jail time is concerned?
Assuming there’s a video, it should be clear that the boyfriend actually orchestrated this stupid event. That does not mean she wasn’t stupid, and – in my view – guilty of a crime. So, I’m not saying she should be “off the hood.” A felony conviction would be perfectly appropriate. Unless she’s a violent person, however, I fail to see a need for incarceration.
Yeah, I’m referring most specifically to posts like the following (which is not yours):
"Him: Shoot me here. I know it’s going to be OK. I tried it already.
Her: Oh, OK. Are you sure?
Him: Yes. It’s OK.
Her: …BLAM!
And it’s her fault? Fuck that."
…which seem to suggest that the shooter should be held blameless.
[There are a lot of People Posting in this Particular Pthread with names that begin with P, and I’m not quite sure pwho is pwho; so I’m not sure what you have or haven’t said. My 'Pologies if I seemed to be mischaracterizing your position.]
Well, she’s dangerous enough to shoot and kill a man, which is enough for me. I think that anyone who deliberately shoots somebody and kills them outside of specific circumstances like self defense is manifestly a danger to other people, and should be looking at prison time. Partially as punishment, partially to protect other people from them, and partially as a deterrent, to make it clear that shooting people isn’t something that’s OK.
I think the underlined part is already clear. Not sending this young woman to prison doesn’t really muddy the message much. She did lose her boyfriend, who she was apparently fond of.
How could Youtube possibly determine which stunts are actually dangerous, and which ones maybe look like they are to someone who’s not analyzing them well?
Also, I’m entertained by the fact that about half of that video is trick basketball shots. Maybe not the point you hoped to prove?
It’s an involuntary response, they really can’t help it. Whenever there’s way to maintain that ‘good civilized’ Canada wouldn’t do the same thing as ‘bad uncivilized’ US, something comes over many of our Canadian friends and they say silly things.
But IME there’s at least a modicum of common sense in Canada, according to which you’d definitely consider locking up somebody who shot somebody else on purpose resulting in that person’s death. But a prosecutor would look at all the facts first, and if they proceeded a jury would decide, then a sentencing decision would be made. That can even happen in the US sometimes. 
Well, you can always look to the crazy Russian videos of the young adults doing gymnastics and shit in Really High Places.
Was Michael Massee charged in the shooting of Brandon Lee?
Did he knowingly fire a loaded gun at Brandon Lee? If not, then I don’t see how the situations are similar.
Well, since nobody’s apparently watched it, I watched the Doing Scary Stunts at the Fair video. It just looks like a family visiting the fair. The only “stunt” I see the 3-year old doing is at the end, when they go on that teacup type ride and spin it really fast.
Are there any other videos where the 3-year-old actually is clearly endangered?
Well, you’d need to show that the same people saying “lock 'er up” in the texting thread are the same ones saying “no jail time” in this one.
As for me, I’m consistent. I wanted the texting lady locked up (even though I recognize the potential slippery slope argument), and I think this lady should also be locked up.
But I am not in favor of forced sterilization, for what that’s worth.
He knowingly fired a gun at Brandon Lee. He was told (let’s assume) that it was safe to do that, since the stunt people rigged the gun so it would be safe.
Kind of like Monalisa was told it was ok to fire the gun, because the book made the stunt safe.
[QUOTE=Wikipedia]
In 1993, Massee portrayed the character Funboy in the film The Crow, starring Brandon Lee. Massee was the actor who fired the shot that killed Lee by accident on the set in 1993, due to an improperly prepared prop gun.
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So, how does this differ from the OP situation?