# Bradley Manning **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 22, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873 "2013-08-22T14:45:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/41 "2013-08-22T17:15:02Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I don’t give a shit what you think. And I don’t give a shit what Bradley Manning or anyone who defends him thinks. So as long as we’ve agreed not to give a shit, I guess we can all be happy. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/42 "2013-08-22T17:17:17Z")
> [@The Great Sun Jester](#): > > But I’m not overly concerned with _his_ happiness. I imagine Manning’s internet time will be pretty restricted. You can probably rest easy. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/43 "2013-08-22T17:27:04Z")
By accounts that I have seen, I have an image of a desperately sad individual who should never, ever have been placed in a position of responsibility. Not because of any sexual identity issues he may or may not have, but simply because he was so vulnerable. I’m not in a position to judge the severity of his crimes, but I’m inclined to thing that his sentence is inappropriately severe and intend to “send a message”. You want to send a message, text somebody. Inflicting suffering on someone is not justice, it is vengeance, and vengeance for its own sake is not the province of civilized people. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/44 "2013-08-22T17:28:10Z")
> [@The Great Sun Jester](#): > > Cut the dude some slack. She IS taking it like a man and now she’s just trying to adapt to the role she’s gotten in prison. Predictable. Male rape is hilarious, and transgender rape is even better!!!1 You are filth. ---
**Author:** ![drew870mitchell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drew870mitchell/32/3946_2.png) [@drew870mitchell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drew870mitchell)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/45 "2013-08-22T17:30:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’d hardly consider elective plastic surgery to be “medical attention”. When was the last time anyone died for want of a boob job? > > Now, to answer your question with a question; how would you feel if Bradley Manning had hanged himself in his cell because he _wasn’t_ on suicide watch and being watched around the clock? His suicide watch was a farce designed to humiliate him clinically because they couldn’t just have him beaten by trusties like in less enlightened times. Making him sleep and present in the morning bare naked in an empty cell isn’t about preventing suicide, it’s about showing power. I’ll note that Quantico ignored the recommendations of brig psychiatrists to remove him from suicide watch. I’m not an expert, so I’ll defer to their evaluation that he was not a suicide risk, because, y’know, they’ve spent decades studying and practicing. Unless, of course, your hunches say otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/46 "2013-08-22T17:48:28Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > You are filth. No, I’m not filth. You have a gentler sense of humor than I do, but I don’t fault you for that. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/47 "2013-08-22T17:48:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I’m not in a position to judge the severity of his crimes, but I’m inclined to thing that his sentence is inappropriately severe and intend to “send a message”. You want to send a message, text somebody. Inflicting suffering on someone is not justice, it is vengeance, and vengeance for its own sake is not the province of civilized people. What vengeance? He signed paperwork showing that he understood that revealing even one little bit of classified information could result in serious prison time, so he decided that he would steal more than half a million documents. Punishment is not the same vengeance. You’re going down the path of buying into the childhood bullshit of people living with their consequences is actually some harm being unfairly foisted on them by mean people. It’s like the moody teenager who fails a class and then tells everyone that he failed because the teacher hates him, is unfair to him, the teacher has a grudge, etc. No, you dumb little snot, the reason you failed your test and have to go to summer school is because you didn’t do your homework and you couldn’t pass any of the tests; it isn’t because the teacher is mean and is angry at you. And whatever the judge did would send a message to people. If the judge had gone along with the prosecution’s recommendation of 60 plus years, that would send a message. If the judge had sentenced him only to time served, that would send a different message. As it stands, the message sent seems to be one balancing the request of the prosecution and the pleas of the defense, which seems to send the message that cases will be addressed on their merits. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/48 "2013-08-22T17:51:56Z")
> [@drew870mitchell](#): > > His suicide watch was a farce designed to humiliate him clinically because they couldn’t just have him beaten by trusties like in less enlightened times. Making him sleep and present in the morning bare naked in an empty cell isn’t about preventing suicide, it’s about showing power. > > I’ll note that Quantico ignored the recommendations of brig psychiatrists to remove him from suicide watch. I’m not an expert, so I’ll defer to their evaluation that he was not a suicide risk, because, y’know, they’ve spent decades studying and practicing. Unless, of course, your hunches say otherwise. > [@Miller](#): > > [41% of transpeople have attempted suicide at some point in thir lives.](http://www.livescience.com/11208-high-suicide-risk-prejudice-plague-transgender-people.html). Unsurpringly, to anyone who isn’t a knuckled dragging, troglodyte fuckhole like yourself, the incidence of suicide attempts correlates strongly to how accepted they are as their real gender. So, good news for you! Manning has a real good chance of not surviving his nine year stint as it is, meaning you get to look forward to stroking your hate boner over the death of both a “traitor” and a filthy tranny degenerate! I’m learning so much today. So far I’ve learned both that Manning is suicidal because the Army won’t acknowledge his gender issues, and that he isn’t suicidal at all and was only put on suicide watch to embarrass him. Ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/49 "2013-08-22T18:03:08Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > This is a great opportunity for Conservatives to show how worthless they are as a whole, by using Manning’s crimes as an excuse to make bigoted, hateful, transphobic remarks. > > I mean, they’re not even pretending, really - they’re just looking for any opportunity they can to smear their vile hate all over the place. waterboarding: a facial with plausible deniability ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/50 "2013-08-22T18:17:30Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’m learning so much today. So far I’ve learned both that Manning is suicidal because the Army won’t acknowledge his gender issues, and that he isn’t suicidal at all and was only put on suicide watch to embarrass him. > > Ignorance fought. Right. Because Manning wasn’t suicidal at one point in his life, it necessarily follows that he will never be suicidal at any other point in his life. Thank you for continuing to demonstrate how bigotry and being really, really stupid go hand in hand. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/51 "2013-08-22T18:19:28Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Thank you for continuing to demonstrate how bigotry and being really, really stupid go hand in hand. Thank you for continuing to assume I’m bigoted. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/52 "2013-08-22T18:26:50Z")
Well, just don’t go around in pubic holding hands with Stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/53 "2013-08-22T18:41:24Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Thank you for continuing to assume I’m bigoted. It’s not an assumption, it’s something you’ve demonstrated repeatedly, both in this thread, and the GD thread. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/54 "2013-08-22T18:44:36Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Thank you for continuing to assume I’m bigoted. It isn’t an assumption when you post things like this: > [@Smapti](#): > > I consider Bradley Manning a man because Bradley Manning is a man. He possesses male sex organs and a Y chromosome - therefore he is a man. He can insist that he is female if he wants, but he’s _wrong_ - he remains biologically male in spite of his insistence to the contrary. If he were a free man, he could choose to live as a female and undergo treatments to look more female, and almost nobody would have to know. But he _isn’t_ a free man - he’s a traitor who’s going to be locked up in prison for a long time, and he has no right to tell anyone how to refer to him. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/55 "2013-08-22T18:51:17Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > It isn’t an assumption when you post things like this: I fail to see how anything I said there is bigoted. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/56 "2013-08-22T18:55:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I fail to see how anything I said there is bigoted. You would. To quote The Outer Limits " Your ignorance makes me ill and angry." **Karrius** and **Miller** Keep up the good work. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/57 "2013-08-22T18:55:55Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I fail to see how anything I said there is bigoted. Hence my earlier post re: bigots and stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/58 "2013-08-22T18:59:47Z")
Explain to me how “saying you’re a woman doesn’t make you a woman” is a bigoted statement, then. ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/59 "2013-08-22T19:17:10Z")
Because you are medically and scientifically wrong, so how about you use google and stop wasting everyone’s time with the trash spewing out of your mouth? Nobody has a right to educate you when you go preaching hate, when it is 100% obvious that you won’t even listen, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873/60 "2013-08-22T19:20:32Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > Because you are medically and scientifically wrong A man is a person with male sex organs and a Y chromosome. A woman is a person with female sex organs and two X chromosomes. Saying you are one when you are demonstrably the other does not cause it to be so. What is medically and scientifically wrong about this? > [@](#): > > Nobody has a right to educate you when you go preaching hate I haven’t said a single hateful thing about anyone other than Bradley Manning. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bradley-manning/666873.md?page=4)