# Brady Campaign gives Obama an 'F' for gun control **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 20, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731 "2010-01-20T19:18:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/201 "2010-01-25T01:14:54Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > …I think it’s funny all the derision that people hold the members of the military and the police who signed an oath refusing to put Americans into Concentration camps… Sooner or later, somebody has to ask…what in the name of bleeding Og are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/202 "2010-01-25T01:18:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Sooner or later, somebody has to ask…what in the name of bleeding Og are you talking about? These [whackos.](http://oathkeepers.org/oath/) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/203 "2010-01-25T01:44:53Z")
Well, they support the Constitution. Pretty clear about that, how they support the Constitution. And they fired a bowling ball two miles! Which I’d been there. Still, I get the feeling these guys don’t much cotton to my kind. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/204 "2010-01-25T03:50:05Z")
> [@](#): > > These whackos. Wait a second. There’s an outfit going around encouraging active members of the armed forces to publicly declare their willingness to disobey orders? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/205 "2010-01-25T03:51:29Z")
Also, they rape 7 year olds. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/206 "2010-01-25T03:53:45Z")
> [@yoyodyne](#): > > So pretty much anyone who posts in a gun thread then? How do define “overly preoccupied”? Is Jethrina, who is overly preoccupied with guns (according to you), doesn’t shut up about them, and prioritizes only her pro-life stance above gun rights a nut? Or do you just know one when you see one? It’s whoever I feel fits the shoe. I am the sole arbiter of who I think is a nut. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/207 "2010-01-25T03:55:20Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > People who are for legislation which would actively remove guns from the hands of law abiding citizens. I’ve never encountered any such people. Can you name a few prominent ones? By the way, if they own an illegal weapon, they’re not law-abiding, are they? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/208 "2010-01-25T03:58:41Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > No we aren’t. I’m sorry that you are not cognitively capable of seeing things in anything other than these base stereotypes. But what we are talking about is a bunch of people who are refusing to engage in what they see as un-Constitutional orders. Good for them. Who’s giving them any unconstitutional orders? Who’s trying to force them to obey these orders. What about their oath to defend the Constitution agains all enemies foreign and _domestic_? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/209 "2010-01-25T04:00:19Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’ve never encountered any such people. Can you name a few prominent ones? [Dianne Feinstein](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianne_Feinstein#Gun_politics): > [@](#): > > Feinstein said on CBS-TV’s 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here.” Don’t pretend they don’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/210 "2010-01-25T04:12:36Z")
They don’t. She was only talking about assault weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/211 "2010-01-25T04:28:02Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’ve never encountered any such people. Can you name a few prominent ones? > By the way, if they own an illegal weapon, they’re not law-abiding, are they? Let me rephrase – “Otherwise law abiding citizens.” Making firearms illegal doesn’t keep criminals from having them, it keeps law abiding citizens from having them. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > They don’t. She was only talking about assault weapons. Do we really have to have _this_ conversation? Please, define for me “assault weapon.” ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/212 "2010-01-25T04:31:16Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > They don’t. She was only talking about assault weapons. No, she clearly was not. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/213 "2010-01-25T04:33:26Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > Let me rephrase – “Otherwise law abiding citizens.” > > Making firearms illegal doesn’t keep criminals from having them, it keeps law abiding citizens from having them. Making anything illegal makes it illegal for people who are “otherwise law abiding.” > [@](#): > > Please, define for me “assault weapon.” It’s whatever Congress says it is. ---
**Author:** ![OccamsTaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3ec8ea/32.png) [@OccamsTaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OccamsTaser)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/214 "2010-01-25T13:49:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Please, define for me “assault weapon.” Any gun that an educated and privileged New England gentleman wouldn’t hunt pheasant with. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/215 "2010-01-25T15:57:14Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It’s whoever I feel fits the shoe. I am the sole arbiter of who I think is a nut. Sometimes you feel like someone’s a nut, sometimes you don’t… [/obscure cultural reference] ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/216 "2010-01-25T16:26:31Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Also, they rape 7 year olds. So do homosexuals, what’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/217 "2010-01-25T16:31:53Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > So do homosexuals, what’s your point? No, pedophiles rape children. Homosexuals aren’t pedophiles. The leader of the oathkeepers is, though. Why is it with these anti-government militia types and child rape? David Koresh was another one. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/218 "2010-01-25T16:32:58Z")
[quote=“Diogenes\_the\_Cynic, post:217, topic:525731”] No, pedophiles rape children. Homosexuals aren’t pedophiles. The leader of the oathkeepers is, though.[?quote] If a male rapes a boy then he’s a homosexual. > [@](#): > > Why is it with these anti-government militia types and child rape? David Koresh was another one. You should know what’s wrong with this line of reasoning. You should, that you don’t is sad. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/219 "2010-01-25T16:33:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, they support the Constitution. Pretty clear about that, how they support the Constitution. And they fired a bowling ball two miles! Which I’d been there. Still, I get the feeling these guys don’t much cotton to my kind. So your kind isn’t ‘American Citizen’ your kind is Liberal and you see them as being Conservative? So it all comes down to culture war nonsense? The principle doesn’t matter, it’s what social grouping you hang out with? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/220 "2010-01-25T16:35:08Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Good for them. Who’s giving them any unconstitutional orders? Who’s trying to force them to obey these orders. As was pointed out before. Lyndie Englund is serving a prison sentence for not disobeying her orders. So her superiors would be an example. > [@](#): > > What about their oath to defend the Constitution agains all enemies foreign and _domestic_? That’s precisely what they are talking about. Upholding THAT oath. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731.md?page=12)