# Brady Campaign gives Obama an 'F' for gun control **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 20, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731 "2010-01-20T19:18:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/261 "2010-01-26T04:10:27Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > If you actually believe that the Constitution and the courts’ interpretations of it define what rights are, then you seem ill-equipped to come to any discussion involving notions of justice or ethics at all. That is, in fact, the way it is. The Supreme Court is the last stop and the binding arbiter. he Constitution says whatever the Supreme Court decides it says. That is our system. Legal “rights” are legal constructs. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/262 "2010-01-26T04:13:08Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Then you’ve got nothing to worry about since the state will have that burden. > > Not at all. There are lots of special interest groups with lots of money who will be more than happy to mount an immediate challenge. And only 35,000 laws to start challenging. Give me a break. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/263 "2010-01-26T04:20:01Z")
Hey, the state has no obligation to slow things down for you, but it’s not like you have to challenge each instance of like legislation individually. If something like the 30 day law gets struck down for one state, it will have the effect of striking it down in every other state as well. You guys won a big one in _Heller_. That as the one that mattered. All the rest is going to be this kind of nibbling around the edges, and don’t worry, there is ample money waiting to challenge them, but there is never going to be any kind attempt at sweeping prohibition. That’s been killed forever. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/264 "2010-01-26T04:34:05Z")
The big one is coming up this summer, Heller was just priming the pump. Can I expect your celebration of the triumph of the system when the Second Amendment is incorporated as a result of McDonald vs. Chicago? ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/265 "2010-01-26T04:38:20Z")
> [@JXJohns](#): > > The big one is coming up this summer, Heller was just priming the pump. > > Can I expect your celebration of the triumph of the system when the Second Amendment is incorporated as a result of McDonald vs. Chicago? Yeah, this actually reminds me a lot of the anti-immigrant people who are “just concerned about breaking the law.” The amount I believe they would be placated by eliminating immigration laws, is the amount I believe Diogenes will change his tune if the Court invalidates the vast majority of gun laws this year. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/266 "2010-01-26T05:50:34Z")
I will be all for it if the court invalidates gun laws. Yes the system will have worked. I support the protection of the 2nd Amendment. my disagreement with “gun nuts” is one of style, not of substance. As for _McDonald_, I think that the Supreme Court will most likely rule that the 2nd Amendment is an incorporated right (in fact, I think itwould be a good thing if all of _Slaughter-House_ was overturned (incorporating the entire Bill of Rights). I’m not sure it will overturn everything in _McDonald_, though it will probably find that the prohibition on handgun registration is an effective ban on handguns. I think it might let a couple of the registration requirements stand, though. It will be interesting to see what the Court says. We will find out what is Constitutional and what isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/267 "2010-01-26T21:34:13Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > I don’t know what your politics are, but I agree with you 100 percent on this. If nothing else, it helps disapate the meme that he’s going to take everyone’s guns away. I don’t know my leanings either. Some might say I’m somewhere in the middle, some might say I’m on the left. I don’t worry about myself with labelling msyelf. I’d probably be off the mark anyway. 🆒 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731.md?page=13)