# Brady Campaign gives Obama an 'F' for gun control **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 20, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731 "2010-01-20T19:18:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/161 "2010-01-24T02:35:53Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What a steaming crock of shit. Broads groups get insulted all the time. Do you have a problem with “tree huggers,” yes or no? > > Incidentally, not all gun owners are nuts. I’ve made that clear. It’s disngenuous to contend otherwise. It’s like trying to say that anyone who complains about religious fanatics is attacking everyone who is religious. You continually paint all gun owners as “bubba” and “redneck,” so while you might not believe all gun owners are gun nuts, you certainly do nothing to prove or back that point other than stating it. Much like someone who says, “I’m not racist,” and then contends that there’s never been a successful black country because they’re black. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Some people you ask think that evolution is a lie and the earth is flat. That doesn’t mean there’s an open question. > > Sexual orientation is not a choice regardless of the ignorance of some you may ask. > > Protected from what? Infringement, obviously. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > And sexuality is not a choice. You hold that as an article of faith, and that’s fine. I on the other hand, don’t care. Because choices (like religion) are protected, so should the choice to be homosexual – there’s no question that it _can_ be a choice, whether it’s always a choice or not is irrelevant entirely. While it’s important for you to have the distinction of whether or not it’s a choice, it’s not important for me. Why? Because something doesn’t have to be a genetic thing (or “soul based” thing) in order to be protected. ---
**Author:** ![yoyodyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yoyodyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yoyodyne)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/162 "2010-01-24T02:38:41Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Do you have a problem with “tree huggers,” yes or no? [/QUOTE] Tree-huggers? You mean those people who love their trees so much they sleep in them at night? The ones that can’t get real women so they stick their tiny dicks in little knot-holes to make them feel more manly? The cowards that never leave the tree for fear a chainsaw will kill it? Apparently I do have a problem with them. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/163 "2010-01-24T02:40:56Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > …Because choices (like religion) are protected, so should the choice to be homosexual… Do you think unicorns should be protected? All of them,or just the invisible pink ones? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/164 "2010-01-24T02:44:08Z")
Instead of asking what you, no doubt, thought was a witty and provocative question, perhaps you could address my question about your earlier post. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/165 "2010-01-24T02:47:24Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > You continually paint all gun owners as “bubba” and “redneck,” No I don’t. I was calling the “militia” wannabes “bubbas and rednecks.” > [@](#): > > Much like someone who says, “I’m not racist,” and then contends that there’s never been a successful black country because they’re black. No. Disparaging somebody’s opinion is not the same as disparging their race. This contnues to be an asinine comparison. > [@](#): > > Infringement, obviously. Infringement from what? How am I infringing you? > [@](#): > > You hold that as an article of faith, and that’s fine. no, this is an objective fact. Sorry. > [@](#): > > I on the other hand, don’t care. Because choices (like religion) are protected, so should the choice to be homosexual – there’s no question that it _can_ be a choice, whether it’s always a choice or not is irrelevant entirely. > > While it’s important for you to have the distinction of whether or not it’s a choice, it’s not important for me. Why? Because something doesn’t have to be a genetic thing (or “soul based” thing) in order to be protected. Protected from what? What right do you think I’m infringing? I support the protection of the 2nd Amendment so it can’t be that. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/166 "2010-01-24T02:53:59Z")
> [@yoyodyne](#): > > Tree-huggers? You mean those people who love their trees so much they sleep in them at night? The ones that can’t get real women so they stick their tiny dicks in little knot-holes to make them feel more manly? The cowards that never leave the tree for fear a chainsaw will kill it? > > Apparently I do have a problem with them. See. It’s no big deal at all, is it? Nothing will happen to you. You won’t get warned. There’s no special dispensation for anybody. No one’s going to get all huffy and butthurt. You’re completely within the rules, and you’ve just demolished your own complaint. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/167 "2010-01-24T03:07:05Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Infringement from what? How am I infringing you? I didn’t say you were infringing me, or my rights. Please go back and read the post, in its entirety. Just because I responded _to_ you, doesn’t mean that the statement is _about_ you. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > no, this is an objective fact. Sorry. Please, [back your statement up](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12030927#post12030927), I’d like to see evidence. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Protected from what? What right do you think I’m infringing? I support the protection of the 2nd Amendment so it can’t be that. I didn’t say protected from your infringement, did I? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/168 "2010-01-24T03:48:44Z")
Then who ARE you talking about and why are you addressing those comments to me. Your question about sexual orientation is too inane to deserve a response. ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/169 "2010-01-24T04:54:31Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Then who ARE you talking about and why are you addressing those comments to me. You asked me a question, “protected from what,” and I responded. Me: I say this because it doesn’t matter whether it’s a choice or not. Religion is a choice, and it’s protected. Sexuality is a choice, and it should be protected. The language you speak is a choice, and it is (or should be, if it isn’t) protected. You: Protected from what? Me: Infringement, obviously. They aren’t “about” anyone, they were in response to your question. Perhaps if you go back and follow the entire thread of the conversation, you’ll understand better. It’s not all that difficult a concept to grasp. I said that some things should be protected, you asked from what, I told you, and you got confused. Clear things up a bit? > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Your question about sexual orientation is too inane to deserve a response. If they’re so inane, they should be relatively simple to dispel. I anxiously await your response to an easily dispelled question on your “objective fact.” I always remain a skeptic, until there’s sufficient evidence. I have no opinion on sexuality, one way or the other (despite the ambiguity of my OP) until there’s evidence that points in one direction or the other – I assume you have an overwhelmingly large amount if it’s an objective fact. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/170 "2010-01-24T08:14:08Z")
Your initial comment - that gun owners Deserve protection" was addressed to me. Since I never argued otherwise, it was a non-sequitur with regards to anything I has said so I asked for elaboration. Your question regarding sexual orientation has already gotten all the response it deserves, but really it’s as simple as asking yourself when you chose your own sexual orientation. ---
**Author:** ![yoyodyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yoyodyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yoyodyne)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/171 "2010-01-24T16:00:13Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > See. It’s no big deal at all, is it? Nothing will happen to you. You won’t get warned. There’s no special dispensation for anybody. No one’s going to get all huffy and butthurt. You’re completely within the rules, and you’ve just demolished your own complaint. No, I guess your’re right again! Now I’ll just wander off to a board where forest conservancy is a frequent topic and post that same shit in every thread that brings it up. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/172 "2010-01-24T16:15:12Z")
Knock yourself out. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/173 "2010-01-24T17:52:39Z")
So, what do you want to call these guys? [http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/montana\_citizens\_group\_distributes\_questionnaire\_d.php?ref=fpblg](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/montana_citizens_group_distributes_questionnaire_d.php?ref=fpblg) > [@](#): > > A group of nearly 200 “extremely concerned citizens” in a small Montana county are demanding that local leaders fill out a “questionnaire” pledging to form a local militia, prohibit mandatory vaccinations, boot the EPA out of town, allow citizens to bear any type of gun, and require federal government employees to get written approval before approaching “any Citizen.” > > Organized in part by a group called Celebrating Conservatism, which is lead by a woman who quit the state GOP after complaining of “fake” Republicans, the questionnaire was presented this week to the county commissioners and sheriff of Ravalli County, according to the local Republic newspaper… > > (znip) > > …The Ravalli questionnaire, which you can read here, demands that local officials pledge: > > …To form and command a county militia of all citizens 18 or older. However, it adds: “Note: Women must serve, but not in a combat capacity unless the men are in danger of being overrun.” > > “To absolutely prohibit all efforts, Federal, State or city, that infringe upon the right to keep and bear arms including the requirement to have a permit to carry a concealed weapon and restrictions on the kinds of weapons one may possess and carry, eg., fully automatic, silenced, length of barrel, length of blade, opening mechanism of a knife, etc.” > > To require federal employees to obtain written permission from the sheriff before approaching local citizens. > > “To prohibit mandatory vaccinations.” > > To prohibit federal employees from collecting census information beyond the number of adults in each home. > > To block all Environmental Protection Agency employees from entering the country. (We should note here that the editor of the Republic tells us he knows of no EPA activity in the county.) > > “To use the term ‘peace officer’ in lieu of the current law enforcement officer.'”… Yahoos? Jethros? Nattering nabobs? Nattering Jim Bobs? Posse Comatose? ---
**Author:** ![yoyodyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yoyodyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yoyodyne)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/174 "2010-01-24T18:10:38Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Knock yourself out. On second thought maybe I’d better not. They’d probably think I was a smug, arrogant, egotistical troll who thought he could never be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/175 "2010-01-24T18:13:41Z")
If you’ve been considering a career as a professional sarcastic, you might want to ponder that a bit longer. Just sayin’, is all. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/176 "2010-01-24T18:21:41Z")
Still waiting on your reply. When you’re done being DtC’s enabler, maybe you’ll have time to get to it ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/177 "2010-01-24T18:35:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, what do you want to call these guys? > > [http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/montana\_citizens\_group\_distributes\_questionnaire\_d.php?ref=fpblg](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/montana_citizens_group_distributes_questionnaire_d.php?ref=fpblg) > > Yahoos? Jethros? Nattering nabobs? Nattering Jim Bobs? Posse Comatose? I call them extremists. You know, the actual, technical term for someone who has extreme views. ---
**Author:** ![yoyodyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yoyodyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yoyodyne)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/178 "2010-01-24T18:45:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If you’ve been considering a career as a professional sarcastic, you might want to ponder that a bit longer. Just sayin’, is all. Thanks for the pro tip. I’m just a sarcasm hobbyist though. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/179 "2010-01-24T19:08:24Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Still waiting on your reply. When you’re done being DtC’s enabler, maybe you’ll have time to get to it If that is addressed to me, advise. Don’t know what you talking about. Straight up, no snark, don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![OccamsTaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3ec8ea/32.png) [@OccamsTaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OccamsTaser)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731/180 "2010-01-24T19:09:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, what do you want to call these guys? > > Yahoos? Jethros? Nattering nabobs? Nattering Jim Bobs? Posse Comatose? Jethro is a disparaging term used to describe an unsophisticated, uneducated white from poor rural areas. If you think it’s OK to refer to people with this term, by the same logic, you must think it’s OK to refer to poor, uneducated, and unsophisticated blacks as “Sambo”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brady-campaign-gives-obama-an-f-for-gun-control/525731.md?page=10)