# Brainglutton and Lumpy, WTF is this? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 6, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357 "2016-01-06T20:33:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/21 "2016-01-07T04:00:10Z")
Wait…I get it now! It’s funny because Black people have big lips!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAaaaaaa… Nope, still not funny. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/22 "2016-01-07T04:03:37Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Wait…I get it now! > > It’s funny because Black people have big lips!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAaaaaaa… > Nope, still not funny. Give him a minute to explain it again, I’m sure you’ll come around. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/23 "2016-01-07T04:04:56Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I made a reference to lip size first because the fictional law was about “fellatory conscription”, second because the fictional law was supposedly applied to African-Americans, and third because African-Americans on average have fuller lips than whites- something I thought was as uncontroversial as saying that most African-Americans have brown skin. No, I got the blacks got big lips,as a work around for not mentioning skin color, I’m not clear why you think people whooshed. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/24 "2016-01-07T04:29:33Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Um… because African-Americans are a protected class, in reference to whom one cannot even sarcastically _mock racism itself_? No, because it’s a touchy subject and, if the joke doesn’t go well, it often comes off as actually being racist. It’s kinda a Poe’s law of jokes: that bad jokes about racism and actual racism are generally indistinguishable. And since both racists and non-racists will defend themselves by claiming that it isn’t racism, that doesn’t help much either. You’ve put what you really meant out there. Either people accept it or they don’t. Fighting only makes things worse. FWIW, I believe you, as long as you don’t make a habit of these things. Brainglutton has made such a habit, though. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/25 "2016-01-07T06:01:18Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Um… because African-Americans are a protected class, in reference to whom one cannot even sarcastically _mock racism itself_? I don’t think it’s so much “one” cannot, as it is you, specifically, cannot, because you’re not very funny, and don’t know how to joke about racism without coming across as a racist yourself. > [@](#): > > Maybe I should change my name to Verhoeven. That guy can say anything and have it applauded as brilliant deconstructionism. Right. Because Paul Verhoeven is so famously popular on this board. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/26 "2016-01-07T06:24:02Z")
Dutch. Nobody tells any jokes about them, now, do they? Not the Dutch, no, never them. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/27 "2016-01-07T06:43:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Dutch. Nobody tells any jokes about them, now, do they? Not the Dutch, no, never them. The Dutch national soccer team treated the entire Euro 16 qualifying stage as one long shaggy-dog Dutch joke. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/28 "2016-01-07T09:39:36Z")
The jokes weren’t funny. But the reaction is. > **[The Censorship of Stand-Up Comedy on College Campuses](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/thats-not-funny/399335/)** > > Today’s students can’t seem to take a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/29 "2016-01-07T11:38:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > There was some guy, black guy doing standup, long time ago. Riffing on how this white women in a fancy car pulled up on the street where he was standing, and her window was open just a little bit. And she glanced at him standing there and rolled it up the rest of the way. > > Paraphrase: So, what was she thinking, that I would put my big ol’ lips onto that opening and just _suck_ her right out of the car, is that what she thought?..(beat, beat)…So I **did**! So, you think a joke in which someone riffs off the racist stereotype other people hold about him is the same thing as a joke that depends on the exact same racist stereotype? Lumpy isn’t the comedian in this analogy. He’s the white woman in the fancy car. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/30 "2016-01-07T12:02:34Z")
I understand the jokes and the context in which they were intended, and even note the actual wit involved. The problem, as noted, is this: > [@BigT](#): > > It’s kinda a Poe’s law of jokes: that bad jokes about racism and actual racism are generally indistinguishable. And since both racists and non-racists will defend themselves by claiming that it isn’t racism, that doesn’t help much either. This sort of thing isn’t just tiptoeing through a minefield; it’s tapdancing through one. If you’re going to try it, you’d better be a damn good dancer. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/31 "2016-01-07T12:34:18Z")
I have a Jewish friend who lost a major branch of his family tree in the holocaust (on both parents’ sides). I have told him some horrific nazi jokes and he laughed. I told him the jokes because I know he is a sick fuck who would find them funny. On the other hand, neighbors of ours recently lost their prematurely born baby that never made it out of the hospital, yet lived about a month. The last time we visited with them I didn’t tell any dead baby jokes. And I know a few really funny dead baby jokes, not just the standards. It’s about knowing your audience. **Lumpy** , you do not know your audience. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/32 "2016-01-07T13:01:36Z")
I predicted in my post that > [@](#): > > Being that they do not, I have no doubt that they will defend themselves, with the usual ‘blame the attackers’ defense of “You just don’t have a sense of humor/irony/farce/etc.” And Lumpy, being predictable, wrote soon after: > [@](#): > > For the record: Brainglutton wrote an obviously fake post about an outrageously racist and exploitive law supposedly passed in the late-19th century. In that era, as the last vestiges of Reconstruction faded away and the now-infamous Plessy v. Ferguson decision upheld “separate but equal” laws, many laws were passed that were carefully worded to be theoretically color-blind, but in practice were discriminatory. So I made a joke about Brainglutton’s fictional law fitting that pattern. > > Jeeze Louise. I take no credit for any psychic ability, it was obvious. Lumpy, consider this; even if Brain Glutton’s humor was moderately creative, it was a clear derail of YOUR thread, which up to then (and truth be told, is continuing now) to generate some interesting information, views and facts, and it fact both you and BG have made on-topic and cogent posts therein. And arguments, and there certainly were some, were conducted with as much interest in Light as in Heat–which is what I have become accustomed to in Great Debates. So, when BG so obviously ‘shit in your punchbowl’, why did you feel the necessity of ‘doubling down’ the crudity and devalue whatever you wanted to accomplish in that thread? Do you have that little respect for your own threads? Do you care that little for what Great Debates means? Have you no sense of dignity, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of dignity? (slightly changed from the Joseph Welch version) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/33 "2016-01-07T13:14:33Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I understand the jokes and the context in which they were intended, and even note the actual wit involved. The problem, as noted, is this:This sort of thing isn’t just tiptoeing through a minefield; it’s tapdancing through one. If you’re going to try it, you’d better be a damn good dancer. Do you know who ELSE are good dancers? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/34 "2016-01-07T13:48:17Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Do you know who ELSE are good dancers? Speaking of shitty jokes. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/35 "2016-01-07T13:49:32Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Do you know who ELSE are good dancers? I’m led to understand that the Fuhrer was a terrific dancer. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/36 "2016-01-07T13:54:18Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m led to understand that the Fuhrer was a terrific dancer. His dancing pants had more ballroom than most. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/37 "2016-01-07T13:56:13Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > It’s about knowing your audience. **Lumpy** , you do not know your audience. A bunch of losers on the internet? The original thread had the title “rammed down their throat” so somebody made a cocksucking joke, is this really causing panties to bunch up? I’m not saying it was funny but, ironically, a lynching hardly seems appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/38 "2016-01-07T13:58:57Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > A bunch of losers on the internet? > > The original thread had the title “rammed down their throat” so somebody made a cocksucking joke, is this really causing panties to bunch up? > > I’m not saying it was funny but, ironically, a lynching hardly seems appropriate. OH SHIT EVERYONE LUMPY CAN’T BREATHE CUT HIM DOWN CUT HIM DOWN CUT HIM DOWN wait false alarm there is no lynching what a ridiculous metaphor ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/39 "2016-01-07T14:03:58Z")
Maybe it’d help if Lumpy were to cast himself as the victim. Like say, “As I was getting beat up by two black guys, I noticed they had full-sized lips…” ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357/40 "2016-01-07T14:11:27Z")
Since I’ve been Pitted too for making an offensive joke, I gotta defend Brainglutton and Lumpy. Bad jokes may be bad, may be offensive, but sheesh, they don’t deserve a whole new thread about them. M joke didn’t involve race. It turns out there are a surprising number of people who are offended by the merest suggestion of pedophilia. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-and-lumpy-wtf-is-this/742357.md?page=3)