# Brainglutton, I am so tired of your BS **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2007, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669 "2007-11-08T17:12:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/261 "2007-11-11T06:06:41Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] There isn’t even a proper sentence in your little screed. [/QUOTE] Glass, houses, stones. You know the drill. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/262 "2007-11-11T06:07:58Z")
Ohh shiny ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/263 "2007-11-11T06:55:21Z")
Camilla? Does it have to do with the horses thing, or what? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/264 "2007-11-11T07:10:40Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] [Quote=tomndebb] Yours is a silly claim based on a desire to raise a straw man argument against all taxation founded on a false claim that applies an example of a hypothetical situation about an extreme situation as though it was relevant to less extreme situations despite the fact that your hypothetical has already been demonstrated to be a lie based on actual historic events. [/quote] WTF are you talking about? Have you bogarted **elucidator’s** weed? There isn’t even a proper sentence in your little screed. Note to ndebb, tommy needs to go to bed before he hurts himself. [/QUOTE] Since I appear to be addressing someone who did not master second grade English, I will break it down into short declarative sentences: You made a stupid claim. You said that high taxes made people stop working to earn money. When the U.S. had the 91% rate\*, people tried to make enough money to pay that tax. Your claim is bullshit. Beyond that, your claim was dishonest. You tried to use the extreme when talking about the center. Your claim about the extreme was false. We can, therefore, dismiss your false claim about the mean, mode, and median. You are a doodyhead. - And I have agreed that the 91% was too high–it still did not prevent people from trying to earn that much money. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/265 "2007-11-11T08:05:34Z")
Hey, I was speaking in tones of the purest admiration! That sentence is stupendous in its scope and majesty, it swoops and soars like a great bird, it rocs! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/266 "2007-11-11T08:08:01Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] And here I thought that weed was illegal in the great state of Minnesota. If you had the manners of a whore, you’d at least share. 😃 [/QUOTE] Bless her heart, she means well! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/267 "2007-11-11T08:10:39Z")
[QUOTE=askeptic] Trying to gloss over the fact that your point was sort of pointless? [/QUOTE] What, that IMO the US is no longer a strong nation? I don’t consider that pointless. I don’t need a list of strong nations (which list, BTW, was distinctly tongue-in-cheek) to back that up - it’s entirely possible that no such nation exists anymore. Well, I can dream… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/268 "2007-11-11T08:17:11Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Hey, I was speaking in tones of the purest admiration! That sentence is stupendous in its scope and majesty, it swoops and soars like a great bird, it rocs! [/QUOTE] For the good of everyone, you must die. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/269 "2007-11-11T08:30:21Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] I’ve never heard you make a coherent argument FOR socialism. If you have one, let’s hear it. And if you use the word “proletariat”, you lose. 😛 [/QUOTE] No, I do not lose for that reason. Nevertheless, see posts #114 and #200 in this thread; the word “proletariat” (rather an archaic concept at this stage of economic development, IMO) appears nowhere in either, but you can still get the point. **(You** won’t, of course, because you are a hopeless and impenetrable asstard as all the Dope knows, but any reasonable person will.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/270 "2007-11-11T08:36:38Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] I’m sure he would be very happy with high taxes rates. But is he willing to pay those same taxes himself, or do they only apply to other people? That is my question. [/QUOTE] I have always paid all taxes required by law, “willing” or no, even during periods, e.g., the Reagan years, when I knew perfectly well that those dollars could be invested with more net social benefit in the contract murder division of the Medellin cocaine cartel. In broader terms (broader, that is, than you are capable of comprehending), the question depends on my own income level in the year in question. If I were earnng a lot of money, I would be willing to pay a lot of taxes (on the assumption that they were going to fund things I really do believe in). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/271 "2007-11-11T08:55:35Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] Taxing the successful, at some point, becomes a disincentive for them to earn more. [/QUOTE] The very successful’s “earnings,” at some point, have no real value and much great detriment to society. And we reached that point at some time in the 1980s if not earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Grossbottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba8739/32.png) [@Grossbottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grossbottom)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/272 "2007-11-11T14:05:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That last sentence could kill Chuck Norris. **NOTHING CAN KILL CHUCK NORRIS** ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/273 "2007-11-11T14:23:44Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] Fucko off, Camilla. [/QUOTE] I see the perspicacity of your rebuttal is up to its usual standards. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/274 "2007-11-11T14:26:51Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] I see the perspicacity of your rebuttal is up to its usual standards. [/QUOTE] matches her debating skills nicely. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/275 "2007-11-11T14:57:12Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] We already recognize that property has limitations, laws abound for all those limitations, from larger matters like ultimate domain down to the trivial vexations of zoning. We don’t permit someone to abuse their property rights to our detriment. [/QUOTE] There are those who consider such limitations tyranny. Don’t expect to to sway them with reasoning based upon the socialist regard for the common good. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/276 "2007-11-11T15:31:24Z")
There is no difference between property rights and human rights. Humans own themselves. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/277 "2007-11-11T15:51:38Z")
Ah! Wearing our pithy helmet, are we, tilted at a rakish angle? Good. And, of course, you’re correct, in that all such rights are human, few of us would extend them to rocks and trees. The argument is not whether such rights exist, they do, because we say so, it is a statement of faith on our part, holding them to be “self-evident”. The argument is more about the primacy, the relative value of these rights. Some of us seem to hold an unreasonable attachment to property rights, we seem to thnk that a two year old seizing a toy fire truck and screaming “Mine!” is expressing some essential quality of humanity, others would suggest he’s being a little snot and is in need of correction. I lean towards the latter camp, YMMV. Rather certain that it does. ---
**Author:** ![forty\_two](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/forty_two/32/7279_2.png) [@forty\_two](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/forty_two)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/278 "2007-11-11T16:28:12Z")
Okay here’s what I don’t get. If I have $400 dollars for the month and uncle sam takes $100 that’s going to have a fairly drastic effect on my quality of life. It’ll affect how well I eat. Whether or not I have gas money, or even a car. At that rate prolly not. God help me if I have an uninsured medical condition. Rent could take most of it anyway. Now if I have $4,000 and the government takes $1,000 it’ll still seem like alot but things like healthcare, rent/mortgage, car, car insurance, food, luxuries, retirement savings ect. are alot more affordable. So how come it’s the $4,000+ group that complains more? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/279 "2007-11-11T16:33:55Z")
[QUOTE=Grossbottom] **NOTHING CAN KILL CHUCK NORRIS** [/QUOTE] Except Samuel L. Jackson. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669/280 "2007-11-11T16:40:40Z")
If I didn’t abhor violence in any form, that would be totally cool. To see Chucky actually eyeballed to death! Awesome! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brainglutton-i-am-so-tired-of-your-bs/425669.md?page=15)