# Brandon Routh to return to his "Superman" role in CW's Arrow-verse **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 20, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365 "2019-07-20T20:38:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/21 "2019-08-07T02:44:10Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Dean Cain is already playing Supergirl’s adoptive father. He’s been MIA for a while. Teri Hatcher had a substantial role as Mon-el’s mother (along with Kevin Sorbo as his father). Both characters were killed off. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/22 "2019-08-07T04:02:16Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Not quite. In the Flash (1990) universe Mark Hamill played a young-ish Trickster who battles the 1990 Flash and is eventually defeated by him. In the 2015 Flash, Mark Hamill plays an old-ish Trickster who committed crimes in the 1990s and was caught by the police, who then escapes prison in the 2015 time frame and battles the Flash. And Corinne Bohrer played Trickster’s wife/Prank in both versions. > [@Chronos](#): > > So, the premise of this is that all of the various screen versions of DC characters are “real”, just on different worlds (which are, of course, now colliding)? Apparently Brandon Routh will be playing a different Superman than who he played in the movie. He is speculated to play Kingdom Come Superman. I’m not a DC comic guy so I had to look up what that meant. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/23 "2019-08-07T04:31:03Z")
He was definitely playing “Christopher Reeve” Superman in _Superman Returns._ Wish they could work that in. He doesn’t seem old ‘n’ gritty enough for _Kingdom Come_ Supes. ETA:If they’ll cast a Smallville character, why not take the best actor in that (or almost any other show): Michael Rosenbaum as Lex Luthor. [Aw, shucks…](https://screenrant.com/michael-rosenbaum-arrowverse-lex-luthor-rumors-debunked/) ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/24 "2019-08-14T20:42:10Z")
[Tom Welling hints that he’s going to be appearing.](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwixk7HJnIPkAhWEHc0KHW1WDJ8QFjACegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fheroichollywood.com%2Ftom-welling-superman-crisis-on-infinite-earths-return%2F&usg=AOvVaw2UxUtmoHhU8EQGutFa4Hbq) ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/25 "2019-09-22T17:32:56Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > [Tom Welling hints that he’s going to be appearing.](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwixk7HJnIPkAhWEHc0KHW1WDJ8QFjACegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fheroichollywood.com%2Ftom-welling-superman-crisis-on-infinite-earths-return%2F&usg=AOvVaw2UxUtmoHhU8EQGutFa4Hbq) It’s been confirmed. Welling and Erica Durance will both return as Clark Kent and Lois Lane. Durance, of course, has also played Kara’s mother, Alura, on _Supergirl_. Now there may be a fourth Superman appearing. The CW is supposedly in talks with Dean Cain to come back as Superman from _Lois and Clark_. Cain, of course, is a _Supergirl_ alumnus, having previously played Jeremiah Danvers, Kara’s foster father and Alex’s biological father. > **[Crisis On Infinite Earths May Be Getting A Fourth Superman](https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/crisis-infinite-earths-fourth-superman/)** > > First, the rumors started swirling. Tom Welling and Michael Rosenbaum might be returning as Superman and Lex Luthor in the upcoming CW crossover event, "Crisis on Infinite Earths." They denied it, hinted at it, and then denied it some more. As we now... If they can get Dean Cain, I’d like to see Teri Hatcher also come back as Lois Lane, since she previously played Mon-El’s mother, Rhea. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/26 "2019-09-22T17:46:07Z")
> [@digs](#): > > ETA:If they’ll cast a Smallville character, why not take the best actor in that (or almost any other show): Michael Rosenbaum as Lex Luthor. If they get Rosenbaum, they should have him play a version of Flash. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/27 "2019-09-22T18:35:32Z")
I can almost guarantee that Allison Mack will not be appearing. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/28 "2019-09-27T01:59:00Z")
Meanwhile, back at the farm: [https://i.redd.it/6v6f6eww2zo31.jpg](https://i.redd.it/6v6f6eww2zo31.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/29 "2019-09-29T13:24:35Z")
Here’s a first look at Brandon Routh as Kingdom Come Superman in _Crisis on Infinite Earths_: > **[First Look at Brandon Routh as Kingdom Come Superman in CRISIS ON INFINITE...](https://geektyrant.com/news/first-look-at-brandon-routh-as-kingdom-come-superman-in-crisis-on-infinite-earths)** > > The CW has revealed the first image of Brandon Routh as Kingdom Come Superman in DC’s Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover event series. As you can see, he looks awesome in the role! I always like Routh in the role of Superman. While I wasn’t... ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/30 "2019-09-29T13:39:07Z")
Lynda Carter may be playing Wonder Woman again. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/31 "2019-09-29T14:54:48Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Here’s a first look at Brandon Routh as Kingdom Come Superman in _Crisis on Infinite Earths_: > > [First Look at Brandon Routh as Kingdom Come Superman in CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS — GeekTyrant](https://geektyrant.com/news/first-look-at-brandon-routh-as-kingdom-come-superman-in-crisis-on-infinite-earths) Buh. I hope they do a better job of whitening his hair in the actual show. None of the surviving live action Superman actors are actually in the right age range to play a convincing KC Superman (Reeve would be the right age, if he’d remained healthy and alive), not even Dean Cain (the oldest one who’s still alive, in his early 50s), so I’m not sure it was the best choice to include him, and cast someone who’d played Superman before, but… If they’re going to do it anyway, I really hope it ends up looking less like a Halloween costume. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/32 "2019-09-29T15:12:41Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > None of the surviving live action Superman actors are actually in the right age range to play a convincing KC Superman (Reeve would be the right age, if he’d remained healthy and alive), not even Dean Cain (the oldest one who’s still alive, in his early 50s) How do you figure? I thought KC was maybe 20-25 years from ‘now’ — which adds up to the exact timetable of a thirtyish Cain portraying Superman in the ‘90s, but means that Reeve’s Superman would’ve passed forty more than 25 years ago? (That said: isn’t the big guy supposed to age, y’know, _inhumanly_ gracefully?) ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/33 "2019-09-29T15:35:59Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Lynda Carter may be playing Wonder Woman again. One can hope. AIUI, D.C. Comics has control of the characters it allows to be shown on television, and with _Wonder Woman 1984_ set to premiere in 2020, they may not want WW in a TV production at this time. As for Michael Rosenbaum playing Lex Luthor, he turned down the CW’s offer. As he tweeted several days ago: > [@](#): > > I’ll just be straight up about this. WB called my agents Friday afternoon when I was in Florida visiting my grandfather in a nursing home. Their offer: No Script. No idea what I’m doing. No idea when I’m shooting. Basically no money. And the real kick in the ass “We have to know now.” My simple answer was “Pass.” I think you can understand why. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/34 "2019-09-29T16:30:09Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > How do you figure? I thought KC was maybe 20-25 years from ‘now’ — which adds up to the exact timetable of a thirtyish Cain portraying Superman in the ‘90s, but means that Reeve’s Superman would’ve passed forty more than 25 years ago? Kingdom Come was set in 2020, and released in 1996, so 24. And, traditionally post-Crisis (save for the period between the New 52 and Rebirth), Superman is in his early-mid-30s in the ‘present’…so Cain, I suppose isn’t too much younger, but still lacks the ground down quality that tends to age KC Supes. It’s notable that when the Justice Society Superman was reintroduced after Infinite Crisis, he was redesigned to be mistakable for KC Superman, and was of a kind with the other JS members of the same vintage (all of them had reasons why they didn’t age as much as they should have, but all of them were still clearly elderly). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/35 "2019-09-29T18:36:52Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > Kingdom Come was set in 2020, and released in 1996, so 24. > > And, traditionally post-Crisis (save for the period between the New 52 and Rebirth), Superman is in his early-mid-30s in the ‘present’…so Cain, I suppose isn’t too much younger, Heh. Ironically, since Cain was actually playing Superman when KC came out in 1996, it’s almost _impossible_ to get any closer to being the right age when 2020 arrives mere months from now (except, since Cain was already playing Superman in 1995, you could _also_ argue that he’s thus already the right age in 2019). ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/36 "2019-09-29T20:24:33Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Lynda Carter may be playing Wonder Woman again. Hah… another great option for a double-take, as Carter played the President in Supergirl… ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/37 "2019-09-29T20:51:05Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > As for Michael Rosenbaum playing Lex Luthor, he turned down the CW’s offer. As he tweeted several days ago: Sorry Michael no I can’t understand why. It’s a bone thrown to your fans. With the number of guests most will be little more than a cameo. A couple of minutes of screen time for your fans is not a lot to ask. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2019, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/38 "2019-09-30T05:30:10Z")
For free AND no info? I think it is too much to ask, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2019, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/39 "2019-09-30T13:26:25Z")
Also demanding an immediate answer while he was visiting his father in a nursing home? I would have told them to pound sand, too. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/40 "2019-09-30T16:44:24Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > For free AND no info? I think it is too much to ask, actually. “Not much pay” isn’t “free,” but I agree he’s got no obligation to do work he doesn’t want to do “for the fans.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365.md?page=3)