# Brandon Routh to return to his "Superman" role in CW's Arrow-verse **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 20, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365 "2019-07-20T20:38:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/41 "2019-09-30T17:55:20Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Sorry Michael no I can’t understand why. It’s a bone thrown to your fans. With the number of guests most will be little more than a cameo. A couple of minutes of screen time for your fans is not a lot to ask. Boy, a mega-corporation can apparently get away with anything by saying it’s “for your fans.” We’re not going to pay you the rate you think you should get. Plus, we’re not going to tell you anything about it. Answer now!!! I wonder if only actors are required to yield under such circumstances. How about in your profession? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/42 "2019-09-30T22:02:24Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Meanwhile, back at the farm: [Reddit - Dive into anything](https://i.redd.it/6v6f6eww2zo31.jpg) New photo: Tom Welling, Erica Durance, _and_ Tyler Hoechlin on the Kent family farm. > **['Smallville's Superman meets Arrowverse's Clark and Lois in new 'Crisis' photo](https://ew.com/tv/2019/09/30/crisis-smallville-tom-welling-elizabeth-tulloch-tyler-hoechlin-clark-lois-photo/)** > > Worlds are already colliding on the set of the Arrowverse's "Crisis on Infinite Earths" crossover. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFu1Iy6WsAAP7jq?format=jpg&name=900x900) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFu1Iy6WsAAP7jq?format=jpg&name=900x900) ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/43 "2019-09-30T22:11:37Z")
Looks like Tom’s been hitting the gym since he finished the last season of Lucifer. That’s… probably a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2019, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/44 "2019-10-01T01:06:22Z")
Oh dear Og. Smallville version, Kingdom Come version, Arrowverse version, Lois and Clark version…I’m getting a headache. I thought the point of the 1985 _Crisis On Infinite Earths_ was to do away with this nonsense. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/45 "2019-10-01T02:10:17Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Boy, a mega-corporation can apparently get away with anything by saying it’s “for your fans.” We’re not going to pay you the rate you think you should get. Plus, we’re not going to tell you anything about it. Answer now!!! > > I wonder if only actors are required to yield under such circumstances. How about in your profession? If he is aware at all of what the CW DC shows are like he could figure out what the role would be like. It’s a small part in a large ensemble. A bunch of other well known actors had no problem with it but he’s too big for it. Yeah I’m not feeling it. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2019, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/46 "2019-10-01T02:24:05Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > New photo: Tom Welling, Erica Durance, _and_ Tyler Hoechlin on the Kent family farm. > > [Crisis on Infinite Earths: See Tom Welling Tyler Hoechlin, Elizabeth Tulloch in first photo](https://ew.com/tv/2019/09/30/crisis-smallville-tom-welling-elizabeth-tulloch-tyler-hoechlin-clark-lois-photo/) > > [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFu1Iy6WsAAP7jq?format=jpg&name=900x900](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFu1Iy6WsAAP7jq?format=jpg&name=900x900) That’s Elizabeth Tulloch, the _other_ Lois. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/47 "2019-10-01T03:07:52Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > That’s Elizabeth Tulloch, the _other_ Lois. Yes, my mistake. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2019, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/48 "2019-10-01T03:12:05Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Oh dear Og. Smallville version, Kingdom Come version, Arrowverse version, Lois and Clark version…I’m getting a headache. I thought the point of the 1985 _Crisis On Infinite Earths_ was to do away with this nonsense. :smack: No _Lois and Clark_ yet. Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher haven’t been announced as of this time. And yes, that’s the point, to merge all of the alternate universes and clean things up. The crossover is merely a retelling of the 1985 story. You can’t have a resolution without showing the crisis. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2019, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/49 "2019-10-01T10:20:54Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > If he is aware at all of what the CW DC shows are like he could figure out what the role would be like. It’s a small part in a large ensemble. A bunch of other well known actors had no problem with it but he’s too big for it. Yeah I’m not feeling it. Do you accept jobs under such terms? By vague assumptions based on what you could figure out? Studios are well known for their fairness in dealing with actors’ contracts, right? “For the fans” is an outrageous justification for blindly giving up a portion of your professional life under these circumstances. It gives s megacorporation ridiculous control over a contract negotiation thatit already has tremendous advantages in. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/50 "2019-10-01T19:56:32Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Do you accept jobs under such terms? By vague assumptions based on what you could figure out? Studios are well known for their fairness in dealing with actors’ contracts, right? “For the fans” is an outrageous justification for blindly giving up a portion of your professional life under these circumstances. It gives s megacorporation ridiculous control over a contract negotiation thatit already has tremendous advantages in. For that analogy to make sense, I would have to have a very flexible schedule, and the job would have to be one that I have repeatedly said I loved. The stint would have to be for a short amount of time, as part of celebrating something I was proud to be a part of.I’d have to be able to afford it, and there would have to be a whole lot of people who would be made happier if I did it. In those circumstances, HELL YES I WOULD DO IT! Why wouldn’t I? I get to do something I enjoy, get paid somewhat for it, and make a lot of people happy. I wouldn’t see it as some sort of power negotiation with my potential employer. That way of looking at things seems bizarre to me. I **hate** the idea of life being some sort of contest. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not mad at the guy. I’m just a bit disappointed, and I question if he really doesn’t want to resume the role. I just find the explanation wanting, and think **Loach** ’s expectations are not as outlandish as the responses make it seem. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/51 "2019-10-03T23:36:20Z")
Brandon Routh - [Editor in Chief, Metropolis Daily Planet](https://www.instagram.com/p/B3KwCH4ldAT/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_mid=XMP0HwABAAFVA6Ygmu80p38spGq0) ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/52 "2019-10-09T16:54:42Z")
New photos: Grant Gustin, Tyler Hoechlin, and Brandon Routh, aka Barry Allen/Flash, Clark Kent/Superman (Earth 38) and Kingdom Come Superman. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGYzSJgWwAAdnRY?format=jpg&name=medium) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGYzSJgWwAAdnRY?format=jpg&name=medium) Grant Gustin and Cress Williams, aka Black Lightning. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGYzSJmXUAAPO_R?format=png&name=small) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGYzSJmXUAAPO_R?format=png&name=small) ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/53 "2019-10-09T19:42:12Z")
Wait, is Black Lightning involved in the crossover or were they just taking a pic together? (Also, BL’s costume looks so much better than the one from the first two seasons.) Still not impressed with KC Routh…seriously Hoechlin looks older than he does… ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/54 "2019-10-09T19:49:45Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > Wait, is Black Lightning involved in the crossover or were they just taking a pic together? > > (Also, BL’s costume looks so much better than the one from the first two seasons.) > > Still not impressed with KC Routh…seriously Hoechlin looks older than he does… Yeah, Black Lightning is in the crossover. He’s going to officially become part of the Arrowverse. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365/55 "2019-10-30T12:21:16Z")
I’ve been sitting on this casting news for a while since I considered it to be extremely spoilerrific. But the cat’s out of the bag given the events of last week and this week: Audrey Marie Anderson (Lyla Michaels) as [Harbinger](https://tvline.com/2019/10/02/arrow-crisis-infinite-earths-crossover-lyla-harbinger/). Tom Cavanagh as [Pariah](https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/10/14/crisis-on-infinite-earths-pariah-tom-cavanagh-dc-comics-tv-cw/). Which leads to this [group shot](https://tvline.com/2019/10/11/crisis-on-infinite-earths-group-photo-arrowverse-crossover/), taken aboard the _Waverider_. I’ve started a separate thread to discuss the Crisis itself, and not just casting news: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=883807](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=883807) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brandon-routh-to-return-to-his-superman-role-in-cws-arrow-verse/837365.md?page=2)