# Brasil 2014 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 6, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840 "2014-05-06T21:19:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 107
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2121 "2014-06-29T18:05:53Z")
FWIW, the live blogger at the Telegraph thought the penalty was legit. Twenty minutes after he ripped Robben for being a diving POS. He wrote something to the effect of, ‘You don’t even want to give Robben a penalty when he’s legitimately fouled, because of all the crap he pulls the rest of the game’ ---
**Author:** ![straight\_man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straight_man/32/3027_2.png) [@straight\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straight_man)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2122 "2014-06-29T18:06:58Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Robben is far too good a player to have to stoop to that, but he does again and again. It wasn’t even his first dive in this game. Yes, The Netherlands were denied a clear penalty at the end of the first half but that … urgh. It isn’t a dive if you’ve actually been fouled. The defender clearly did go for the ball and catch Robben’s foot instead. A pretty mild penalty, but still. ---
**Author:** ![nani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/58956e/32.png) [@nani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nani)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2123 "2014-06-29T18:10:21Z")
Mexico made a ton of defensive mistakes in the last 15. Oof, what a hit. I’m out for the day, but go Costa Rica ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2124 "2014-06-29T18:11:11Z")
I would say France have looked the smoothest and most confident overall, but have not faced the same quality opposition Germany did. It will be interesting if the meet each other in the quarter finals, as seems likely. No one has any clue where this is all going. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2125 "2014-06-29T18:11:30Z")
Clear penalty, and the better team advances! I’m glad we turned things around after that painful first half. Hope Nigel de Jong is okay. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2126 "2014-06-29T18:13:31Z")
Mexico might have fared better had they continued attacking after their goal. Wonder what happened with RvP, hope it was the heat or maybe the system, and not that he’s on the downhill side from a peak. Gotta dig out my orange jersey from behind the TV , where I “put it away” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2127 "2014-06-29T18:15:54Z")
Technically it was a foul, but it was also a “Schwalbe”. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2128 "2014-06-29T18:17:12Z")
What I wouldn’t give to switch Chile and Mexico with Greece and Nigeria. They both deserved better. Especially Chile. Such heart. ---
**Author:** ![chizzuk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e36b37/32.png) [@chizzuk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chizzuk)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2129 "2014-06-29T18:18:10Z")
You can both be legitimately fouled and embellish it, they aren’t mutually exclusive. Poor Mexico, but you can’t sit on a 1-0 against a team like the Netherlands. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2130 "2014-06-29T18:18:49Z")
Hey now, I’m hoping Greece gets eliminated today by Ticos. Please, at least one of my teams I’d like to win today. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2131 "2014-06-29T18:24:02Z")
[sportingnews has a gif](http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2014-06-29/world-cup-2014-netherlands-mexico-penalty-kick-video-arjen-robben-rafa-marquez-controversy) up of the penalty. Questionable at best. Certainly no contact other than feet of the players, and not so sure on that. Robben took a dive and even the Russian judge gave him a 9.8. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2132 "2014-06-29T18:26:28Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > [sportingnews has a gif](http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2014-06-29/world-cup-2014-netherlands-mexico-penalty-kick-video-arjen-robben-rafa-marquez-controversy) up of the penalty. > > Questionable at best. Certainly no contact other than feet of the players, and not so sure on that. Robben took a dive and even the Russian judge gave him a 9.8. ‘other than feet of players’, as though that is nothing. You need your feet for walking and running and shooting, so especially there, contact constitutes a foul, and cause for a penalty. No dive; clear penalty. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2133 "2014-06-29T18:27:13Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > [sportingnews has a gif](http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2014-06-29/world-cup-2014-netherlands-mexico-penalty-kick-video-arjen-robben-rafa-marquez-controversy) up of the penalty. > > Questionable at best. Certainly no contact other than feet of the players, and not so sure on that. Robben took a dive and even the Russian judge gave him a 9.8. He missed the bal and touched Arjans foot… bad luck for him. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2134 "2014-06-29T18:30:17Z")
> [@KarlGrenze](#): > > Hey now, I’m hoping Greece gets eliminated today by Ticos. Please, at least one of my teams I’d like to win today. I think all non Greeks are wanting this outcome. A more boring defensive average team than Greece is hard to think of. Im glad the Dutch are through. I couldnt see them scoring before their 1st goal went in. Considering the heat and humidity they did really well; or got really lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2135 "2014-06-29T18:30:58Z")
I didn’t think it was a penalty at first, but on re-re-reviewing, it is. Barely. If the ref hadn’t given it, it wouldn’t have been that egregious. But it is a PK. That said, Robben dove like he’s been watching a Greg Louganis highlight rel for the last week, thinking “fuck that, I can beat that”. So, both: pk and diving. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2136 "2014-06-29T18:35:30Z")
> [@straight\_man](#): > > It isn’t a dive if you’ve actually been fouled. The defender clearly did go for the ball and catch Robben’s foot instead. A pretty mild penalty, but still. It is a dive if you dive to embellish it when you do get fouled. ---
**Author:** ![mcgato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac8455/32.png) [@mcgato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mcgato)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2137 "2014-06-29T19:28:32Z")
Mexico should have known that every time Robben got in the box, he was going to look for a penalty. I could tell the instant that he got in the box, he was not looking to pass the ball. Just looking for a penalty. I don’t think that it was a legit penalty, but if you stick your leg near him he will go down. And if the leg is near enough to him, and/or makes minor contact, it probably will be called a penalty. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2138 "2014-06-29T19:29:09Z")
[Robben apologizes for diving against Mexico.](http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3933/world-cup-2014/2014/06/29/4924039/robben-apologises-for-diving-against-mexico) > [@](#): > > After the match Robben insisted the incident which won the game was a justified penalty, but admitted going to ground far too easily on one occasion in the first half. > > “I must apologise,” he told NOS. “The one [at the end] was a penalty, but the other one was a dive in the first half. I shouldn’t be doing that.” Well, that should sort it out, then. I’m sure he’ll never, ever do it again. Like after the [other](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-488786/Robben-regrets-diving-days.html) [times](http://metro.co.uk/2011/12/21/arjen-robben-apologises-for-stupid-dive-during-bayern-munich-win-262980/) he’s apologized for it. Oh, wait… ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2139 "2014-06-29T19:32:08Z")
> [@mcgato](#): > > Mexico should have known that every time Robben got in the box, he was going to look for a penalty. I could tell the instant that he got in the box, he was not looking to pass the ball. Just looking for a penalty. I don’t think that it was a legit penalty, but if you stick your leg near him he will go down. And if the leg is near enough to him, and/or makes minor contact, it probably will be called a penalty. It’s true, though on one occasion he jumped over the guy’s legs and kept going. Slippery bastard. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/2140 "2014-06-29T19:34:58Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > [Robben apologizes for diving against Mexico.](http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3933/world-cup-2014/2014/06/29/4924039/robben-apologises-for-diving-against-mexico) > [@](#): > > “Usually I am comfortable with taking a penalty…” LOL. Every word a lie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840.md?page=106) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840.md?page=108)