# Brasil 2014 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 6, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840 "2014-05-06T21:19:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 160
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3181 "2014-07-11T23:22:28Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Ok I didn’t understand a single one of those and I’m not in the mood to google… But I hope you’re right! Mascherano being the Argentinian answer to the Chuck Norris’s memes. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3182 "2014-07-11T23:28:15Z")
Really, shouldn’t Lorenzo Lamas be Argentina’s answer to Chuck Norris? ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3183 "2014-07-11T23:34:44Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Ok I didn’t understand a single one of those and I’m not in the mood to google… But I hope you’re right! > [@KarlGrenze](#): > > Mascherano being the Argentinian answer to the Chuck Norris’s memes. Or the Dos Equis commercials. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3184 "2014-07-11T23:45:11Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > Is Argentina much changed from the last time they met Germany in the World Cup? Because that was a ridiculously entertaining (and shockingly one sided) match. It was… I remember Voller smashing his elbow into Maradona’s face in the first half and the Mexican referee Codesal did nothing and then, shortly after Matteus had tripped Burrachaga(?) in the box Voller took a dive in the other penalty area to get what turned out to be the winning penalty. Absolutely disgraceful refereeing. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3185 "2014-07-12T01:24:58Z")
> [@mascaroni](#): > > It was… I remember Voller smashing his elbow into Maradona’s face in the first half and the Mexican referee Codesal did nothing and then, shortly after Matteus had tripped Burrachaga(?) in the box Voller took a dive in the other penalty area to get what turned out to be the winning penalty. > > Absolutely disgraceful refereeing. The last time Germany and Argentina met in the World Cup was in 2010. Though I’m sure you know that, so I’m having some trouble following your point. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3186 "2014-07-12T01:28:13Z")
> [@mascaroni](#): > > It was… I remember Voller smashing his elbow into Maradona’s face in the first half and the Mexican referee Codesal did nothing and then, shortly after Matteus had tripped Burrachaga(?) in the box Voller took a dive in the other penalty area to get what turned out to be the winning penalty. > > Absolutely disgraceful refereeing. That was by universal acclaim the worst final ever, and Argentina did its part by hacking and slashing its way through the tournament while hunkering down in front of its goal. Awful. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3187 "2014-07-12T01:36:48Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > The last time Germany and Argentina met in the World Cup was in 2010. Though I’m sure you know that, so I’m having some trouble following your point. He’s talking about the last time that Germany and Argentina met in a World Cup final, 1990. It was before my time, but West Germany apparently got some extremely favorable calls. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3188 "2014-07-12T01:38:38Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > The last time Germany and Argentina met in the World Cup was in 2010. Though I’m sure you know that, so I’m having some trouble following your point. My mistake, took it to mean the last time they met in a final. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3189 "2014-07-12T01:51:37Z")
Ah. Ok. Yes, I do expect the Argentinian team to have changed since 1990 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3190 "2014-07-12T01:53:15Z")
I have vivid memories of that final and of mr Codesal and his mother, his grandmother and all his feminine ancestors… ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3191 "2014-07-12T02:00:50Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > That was by universal acclaim the worst final ever, and Argentina did its part by hacking and slashing its way through the tournament while hunkering down in front of its goal. Awful. From my memory it was Argentina that were subjected to hacking (not sure about the slashing). Two Cameroonians sent off for fouling Cannegia in the opening match. A Russian sent off for a rugby tackle on Cannegia. A Yugoslav sent off for a foul on… Cannegia. I don’t recall a lot of dirty play from Argentina in that particular World Cup, perhaps you can enlighten me. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3192 "2014-07-12T02:16:22Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > I have vivid memories of that final and of mr Codesal and his mother, his grandmother and all his feminine ancestors… 😕 Is this a reference to his day job as a gynaecologist? I once got told off on here for saying he was an ideal ref for the match because he was used to dealing with [insert word that rhymes with ‘punts’ here]. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3193 "2014-07-12T02:25:59Z")
> [@mascaroni](#): > > From my memory it was Argentina that were subjected to hacking (not sure about the slashing). > > Two Cameroonians sent off for fouling Cannegia in the opening match. > > A Russian sent off for a rugby tackle on Cannegia. > > A Yugoslav sent off for a foul on… > > Cannegia. > > I don’t recall a lot of dirty play from Argentina in that particular World Cup, perhaps you can enlighten me. Empirical evidence! > **[From the Vault: a brief history of Argentina v Germany at the World Cup](https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jul/11/history-argentina-germany-world-cup-final-maradona-2014-2010-1986-1990)** > > These two behemoths of international football have met in two World Cup finals, two quarter-finals and two group matches. Germany have been edging it since 1958 but Argentina pipped them to the trophy in 1986. What next for Argentina v Germany? > [@](#): > > It has been even harder to love the Argentinians this time. They came to the final with a long list of previous convictions, having committed more fouls (152) and received more cautions (19) than any other team in the tournament. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3194 "2014-07-12T02:26:10Z")
_Caniggia_. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3195 "2014-07-12T02:26:25Z")
> [@mascaroni](#): > > 😕 Is this a reference to his day job as a gynaecologist? > > I once got told off on here for saying he was an ideal ref for the match because he was used to dealing with [insert word that rhymes with ‘punts’ here]. More of a reference to his mother’s day job (with al due respect to his mother, who I do not doubt was a saint and not in the least responsible for his son being a…) ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3196 "2014-07-12T02:36:10Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Empirical evidence! > > [From the Vault: a brief history of Argentina v Germany at the World Cup | World Cup 2014 | The Guardian](http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jul/11/history-argentina-germany-world-cup-final-maradona-2014-2010-1986-1990) It was team composed of old fading stars, injured players, and new untested players that mostly didn’t quite make the cut for a World Cup, led by a coach past his prime. They got as far as they could, doing whatever they could, fouls and all . For anybody not rooting for Argentina they must have been absolutely odious. But from here, it’s hard not to love them, one by one they defeated their opponents, with Maradona playing with an injured ankle the size of a tennis ball, with all the northern and richer parts of Itally against us, whistling derisively when our national anthem was played, from here it was epic. And I was 12. Do while I can rationally understand why you think the way you think I still think that Germany should have won that game with better weapons that Mr Codesal. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3197 "2014-07-12T02:40:58Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > More of a reference to his mother’s day job (with al due respect to his mother, who I do not doubt was a saint and not in the least responsible for his son being a…) You can’t just leave it like that… What’s the story? ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3198 "2014-07-12T02:41:33Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > It was team composed of old fading stars, injured players, and new untested players that mostly didn’t quite make the cut for a World Cup, led by a coach past his prime. > > They got as far as they could, doing whatever they could, fouls and all . For anybody not rooting for Argentina they must have been absolutely odious. > > But from here, it’s hard not to love them, one by one they defeated their opponents, with Maradona playing with an injured ankle the size of a tennis ball, with all the northern and richer parts of Itally against us, whistling derisively when our national anthem was played, from here it was epic. And I was 12. > > Do while I can rationally understand why you think the way you think I still think that Germany should have won that game with better weapons that Mr Codesal. Oh, let’s be clear: neither country should have won in my opinion. If you can’t beat that old, hobbled team without flopping like a dying fish, screw it. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3199 "2014-07-12T02:44:22Z")
> [@mascaroni](#): > > You can’t just leave it like that… What’s the story? It’s just a roundabout way of calling him an hijo de puta. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/3200 "2014-07-12T02:47:39Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > _Caniggia_. The quick Italian bloke with a hairband is what I should have said… I hope you don’t turn up in the cricket threads when we’re playing Sri Lanka… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840.md?page=159) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840.md?page=161)