# Brasil 2014 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 6, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840 "2014-05-06T21:19:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/481 "2014-06-15T02:38:57Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > I do wish he’d stop saying “coat-dee-voire”. I’m probably just misunderstanding your transcription, but what do you want him to call it? ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/482 "2014-06-15T03:35:20Z")
Ivory Coast ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/483 "2014-06-15T05:47:31Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > I just finished watching the game on TIVO. Strange game. Somewhere around the 75th minute England started kicking it around like a bunch of six year old girls. It was 50/50 that they would whiff the ball entirely. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like Rooney’s corner kick before. > > I was impressed by Sterling, he abused the Italy left side defense all game. Perhaps its just me, but it seemed like after Welbeck was substituted out, England lost a lot of good attacking play. Or maybe it was just the humidity (though from the sounds of it, it seemed like the temp in a regular summer’s evening in Atlanta - though teams did complain about the weather in 1994 as well, I guess). But none of the subs really did anything worth a damn. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/484 "2014-06-15T06:05:02Z")
I’m really enjoying the games so far (although I’ve only managed to watch parts of three live). Lots of great goals, and always great to see a minnow outperforming expectations. Part of me hopes Honduras can continue CONCACAF’s winning streak over France tomorrow! ---
**Author:** ![polar\_bear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ec9cab/32.png) [@polar\_bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/polar_bear)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/485 "2014-06-15T10:04:52Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > Consider me a biased England supporter but I think a draw would have been a fairer reflection of the game. England were disappointing near the end, but at many other points they seemed the better team. That’s not always how football works, of course. And Italy certainly earned a win. > > We didn’t see much diving, especially considering, well… Italy. That was nice. > > Nice goal from Honda, too. I think England did some things well and the new kids seemed dangerous, but I think Italy just about deserved it. A draw wouldn’t have been a stolen point or anything like that, but if you just look at the facts: besides the goals Italy hit the woodwork twice and had an effort cleared of the line. In the second half England really only had the Rooney chance (which wasn’t as easy as everyone is making it out to be) and a few shots from distance. In the second half it seemed everyone was struggling with the heat, difficult to chase the game in such circumstances. That so many England players got cramps, might be a concern. ps England was far better than in 2012 btw, back then Italy truly dominated. ---
**Author:** ![Busy\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@Busy\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Busy_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/486 "2014-06-15T11:35:37Z")
Thought England did well last night - against an accomplished Italian side. Can be optimistic for the next two games. To beat a top side, though, they need something more in the middle of the park. A Gerrard / Henderson midfield prob seemed like a good idea given the attacking nature of the front 4, but it was hard to see their contribution beyond keeping busy. They neither create or disrupt in any real notable way. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/487 "2014-06-15T12:42:33Z")
> [@fachverwirrt](#): > > I’m probably just misunderstanding your transcription, but what do you want him to call it? My bad. I am used to French people saying it in a very fast, slurred way, but what I wrote is actually the correct deliberate pronunciation. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/488 "2014-06-15T15:36:25Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > No, my problem is that you came into the the World Cup thread to call it “such a shit sport.” That’s threadshitting, which apparently you are not mature enough to own up to. I don’t care if you support some League One team or think telling someone to “sod off” is appropriate behavior in the Game Room, but politely asking you to take your threadshitting comments elsewhere, as I did, is reasonable. It is called a love/hate relationship, but apparently your tiny mind has difficulty understanding the concept. So not only can I write that and mean it, I can also watch almost all of the games so far and post in at least three different Football related threads in this forum over the past day or so (the “who do you root for” and “fix football” threads being the other two. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/489 "2014-06-15T15:46:02Z")
Some interesting points: Italian Politician under fire for calling England “pretentious pricks”: > **[Italian politician under fire after labelling English ‘pretentious pricks’](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/15/italian-politician-maurizio-gasparri-twitter-english)** > > Backlash is mounting against the vice-president of the Italian Senate after he celebrated Italy’s World Cup win over England with a vulgar Twitter outburst Paul Scholes is frustrated at Rooney playing out of position: > **[Paul Scholes urges England to play Wayne Rooney as a centre-forward](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/15/paul-scholes-wayne-rooney-england-world-cup)** > > Paul Scholes has expressed his disappointment at the different positions that Roy Hodgson chose to play Wayne Rooney during England’s 2-1 defeat to Italy And in other news, a clear penalty was not given to England at 2-1. But FIFA thinks that’s “all part of the game” so best not worry. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/490 "2014-06-15T16:12:16Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > And in other news, a clear penalty was not given to England at 2-1. But FIFA thinks that’s “all part of the game” so best not worry. What was the clear penalty? I wasn’t able to watch the game, just the recaps and none showed this incident (that I remember). ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/491 "2014-06-15T16:29:40Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > What was the clear penalty? I wasn’t able to watch the game, just the recaps and none showed this incident (that I remember). There was no clear penalty. It was a well officiated match. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/492 "2014-06-15T16:40:05Z")
Dupe ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/493 "2014-06-15T16:47:17Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > What was the clear penalty? I wasn’t able to watch the game, just the recaps and none showed this incident (that I remember). Yes. Paletta came charging in and without going for the ball took Gerrard out. Right now this is the best video I can find of it: https://www.youtube.com/embed/K-aIO_H9MvE?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque The Guardian that, anyone that follows their footie coverage will probably agree, pretty much hates the England football team seemed to think it was clear: > **[England 1-2 Italy: Five talking points from the World Cup Group D match |...](https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jun/15/england-italy-world-cup-talking-points)** > > Marcus Christenson: Raheem Sterling impressed throughout, Cesare Prandelli is a tactical magician and how far can Italy go in Brazil? > [@](#): > > 1. England should have had a penalty > > Perhaps lost in the helter-skelter nature of the game was the fact that England should have had a penalty in the second half. Italy were 2-1 up in the 56th minute when Steven Gerrard broke into the Italian penalty area and was bundled over by Paletta, the Argentinian-born defender who was once a team-mate of the England captain at Liverpool. It was not the worst challenge ever seen in a World Cup (there is always Benjamin Massing to lean back on) but it was a clear foul. Paletta, who did not have a good game, did not touch the ball but clearly shoulder-charged Gerrard. The only mystery was why Gerrard did not appeal more energetically. And this is the Daily Mail, so maybe it should be taken with a pinch of salt, but they do seem to be reporting what was said on German TV: > **[Gerrard would have won a penalty if he was Brazilian, claims Elber](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2658203/Steven-Gerrard-won-penalty-hed-wearing-yellow-shirt-claims-former-Brazil-star-Elber.html)** > > Former Brazil international Elber says if Steven Gerrard had been wearing a Brazil shirt he would have won a penalty in the second half of England’s 2-1 defeat to Italy. > [@](#): > > Former Brazil international Elber says if Steven Gerrard had been wearing a Brazil shirt he would have won a penalty in the second half of England’s 2-1 defeat to Italy. > > The England captain was sent crashing to the floor inside the box by Italy defender Gabriel Paletta, but no penalty was given. > > Speaking on German television, the ex-Bayern Munich star said: ‘If Gerrard had worn a yellow jersey, he would have gotten a penalty.’ ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/494 "2014-06-15T16:49:18Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > What was the clear penalty? I wasn’t able to watch the game, just the recaps and none showed this incident (that I remember). Right now this is the best video I can find of it: https://www.youtube.com/embed/K-aIO_H9MvE?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/495 "2014-06-15T17:04:09Z")
Crazy how empty the stadium is for Switzerland Ecuador. Of the seats we see, they have to be no more than 20% full. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/496 "2014-06-15T17:13:12Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Crazy how empty the stadium is for Switzerland Ecuador. Of the seats we see, they have to be no more than 20% full. And I nipped to the shop at halftime to buy catfood and come back to find I have missed an equaliser. Bad cat! ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/497 "2014-06-15T17:51:32Z")
Excellent decision there by the referee to play the Swiss advantage rather than stop the game. And well done Mr Swiss Guy for getting right back up and attacking. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/498 "2014-06-15T17:51:48Z")
Wow! How cool is that? Like 10 seconds left in extra time and Suisse gets the win. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/499 "2014-06-15T17:52:34Z")
Great ending to that match. I’m glad Switzerland got the 3 points; they would have been 2-1 up anyway if it weren’t for a dodgy decision. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/500 "2014-06-15T17:54:05Z")
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