# Brasil 2014 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 6, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840 "2014-05-06T21:19:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![polar\_bear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ec9cab/32.png) [@polar\_bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/polar_bear)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1561 "2014-06-25T15:15:43Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > On a different note, I noticed that if Argentina beats Nigeria 1-0 and Iran beats Bosnia 1-0, then Nigeria and Iran will be completely tied in term of goal differential, goals scored. They also drew 0-0. Does that mean that they would have to flip a coin to see which advances? That would be a shame. Has this happened before? If your permutations are correct (I assume they are), then yes: drawing lots… according to the official rulebook on the FIFA 2014 website. It has happened before, but not for a long time… I can’t recall it in any case. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1562 "2014-06-25T15:15:44Z")
Even if you _are_ going for the ball. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1563 "2014-06-25T15:18:21Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > Even if you _are_ going for the ball. Yes, but it is possible that a ref may be more lenient when a genuine attempt is made, whereas making no attempt at all is just asking for it. ---
**Author:** ![Ximenean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/aca169/32.png) [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1564 "2014-06-25T15:37:11Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > He probably also lost a huge amount of money since it looked very likely that he was headed for Barcelona, but I’m sure that’s no longer an options any more. I hope FIFA and the EPL treat him more like a sick man instead of a criminal. Either way, I suspect he won’t be playing anywhere for at least a year They’re saying that if FIFA ban him it will only apply to international games. That has been the case with World Cup punishments before. I’m wondering if Liverpool will be quietly pleased about this, if it puts Madrid or Barcelona off. But I have a feeling that clubs will still want him, even if he attracts a multi-game ban every couple of years. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1565 "2014-06-25T15:37:24Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > I don’t know if you’ve played before but if you aren’t going for the ball and you make a movement to interfere with what the other player is trying to do (shoot, head, pass whatever) then…you’ll get penalised. Yes, I’ve played (though not for many years.) The point is that he clearly wasn’t making a movement _to_ interfere with the other player. He was going for the ball _before_ the other player decided to shoot (though admittedly he was pretty unlikely to get to it). ---
**Author:** ![mcgato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac8455/32.png) [@mcgato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mcgato)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1566 "2014-06-25T15:48:08Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > If it does happen then yes, it is flip a coin time. (more correctly “drawing lots”) It would be cool if they did rock-paper-scissors. I think it is funny that there is so much argument over the Greek penalty shot. As I was watching live, I thought that it was a clear penalty. ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1567 "2014-06-25T15:49:29Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Yes, I’ve played (though not for many years.) The point is that he clearly wasn’t making a movement _to_ interfere with the other player. He was going for the ball _before_ the other player decided to shoot (though admittedly he was pretty unlikely to get to it). But as **Borchevsky** and **Novelty Bobble** mentioned above, you are liable to be penalized even if you are going after the ball (although then perhaps a lenient referee might show mercy, depending on how earnest the “going after the ball” aspect was). > [@mcgato](#): > > I think it is funny that there is so much argument over the Greek penalty shot. As I was watching live, I thought that it was a clear penalty. I think it has to do with a perception that the Greek team did not deserve to go through, given their level of play until now. Ivory Coast played much better than Greece during the group phase, all things considered. ---
**Author:** ![Ximenean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/aca169/32.png) [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1568 "2014-06-25T15:52:14Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Oooooo! those results aren’t unlikely in the slightest. > > If it does happen then yes, it is flip a coin time. (more correctly “drawing lots”) > > Apparently in Italia 90 when three teams qualified from a group, they had to draw lots to separate 2nd and 3rd but they still both went through. Strange that they don’t have another level of tie-breaking to avoid this situation, such as fair-play rankings or FIFA rankings. I seem to remember them coming worryingly close to it several times before. One of these days the football authorities are going to be embarrassed by having to eliminate a team by drawing lots. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1569 "2014-06-25T15:56:17Z")
Well it looks like I was first to make this particular joke about suarez, so I’ve photoshopped it. [Liverpool unveils next season’s kit](http://postimg.org/image/ed4450ni5/) ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1570 "2014-06-25T15:56:49Z")
Argentina are starting Higuaín and Kun Agüero again. I don’t think Agüero is fully fit. It’s going to bite them on the ass one of these games. Hopefully it does today and not deeper into the tournament. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1571 "2014-06-25T15:57:38Z")
There’s a bad joke somewhere in having a Uruguayan soccer player who likes to bite people but I can’t quite figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1572 "2014-06-25T16:00:50Z")
> [@Ximenean](#): > > Strange that they don’t have another level of tie-breaking to avoid this situation, such as fair-play rankings or FIFA rankings. I seem to remember them coming worryingly close to it several times before. One of these days the football authorities are going to be embarrassed by having to eliminate a team by drawing lots. It already happened during the qualifiers to decide which teams were going to go to the 1954 WC in Switzerland. From the relevant Wikipedia article: “The third and fourth place teams from 1950, Sweden and Spain, both failed to qualify. In a shock result, Spain was eliminated by Turkey: after the two countries had tied a three-game series, Turkey progressed by drawing of lots.” It did not happen during the WC itself, but I think it is a precedent. There are people in Spain who still remember that “disaster” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1573 "2014-06-25T16:05:21Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > The point is that he clearly wasn’t making a movement _to_ interfere with the other player. He was going for the ball _before_ the other player decided to shoot (though admittedly he was pretty unlikely to get to it). None of those things are relevant to the fact that he clearly interfered with an attacker, in possession of the ball, in the penalty box. [This gif](http://gfycat.com/BrilliantPepperyHornbill) clearly shows the contact from another angle. If that was not a penalty, then there ARE no penalties in football. We might as well erase the penalty box altogether. I watched the game on Spanish-language station Univision, and also saw highlights in English on ESPN, and all of the commentators agreed it was a clear penalty. I’ve also just looked at reports of the game from a half-dozen major newspapers online, and not one of them suggests that there was any controversy at all in the awarding of the penalty. The Chicago Tribune says that Sio “committed a poor foul in the penalty area,” and the Daily Mail calls it a “reckless foul.” ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1574 "2014-06-25T16:07:30Z")
And, in today’s games, they haven’t played five minutes yet and Argentina and Nigeria are already tied 1-1. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1575 "2014-06-25T16:07:34Z")
Nigeria and Argentina are tied 1-1 at 4 minutes…! ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1576 "2014-06-25T16:07:51Z")
Damn, I missed the Messi goal. Someone describe it please. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1577 "2014-06-25T16:08:26Z")
Leisurely start to this one… ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1578 "2014-06-25T16:08:57Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > Damn, I missed the Messi goal. Someone describe it please. You can see it yourself. Go to [Univision’s feed](http://deportesenvivo.univision.com/game/argentina-at-nigeria-on-20140625) and drag the slider back to the third minute of play. It’s worth noting that the Argentina/Nigeria situation is similar to the one facing the US and Germany tomorrow. If the two teams decide to play to a draw, they are both through. Nigeria does have incentive to win, because that would allow them to win the group and avoid the winner of Group E—most likely France—in the next round. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1579 "2014-06-25T16:10:36Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > You can see it yourself. Go to [Univision’s feed](http://deportesenvivo.univision.com/game/argentina-at-nigeria-on-20140625) and drag the slider back to the third minute of play. It was a pretty standard blast in the rebound. The Nigeria goal was a thing of beauty. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840/1580 "2014-06-25T16:11:45Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > You can see it yourself. Go to [Univision’s feed](http://deportesenvivo.univision.com/game/argentina-at-nigeria-on-20140625) and drag the slider back to the third minute of play. If Univision doesn’t work (it’s region-locked) here’s a Vine of the goal [Vine](https://vine.co/v/MtdH39MjbXz) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840.md?page=78) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brasil-2014/687840.md?page=80)