# Brave brave AMERICA, he he he **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 20, 2002, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689 "2002-04-20T18:00:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![POWER\_station](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@POWER\_station](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/POWER_station)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2002, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/41 "2002-04-21T18:40:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by king of spain \* > \*\* > > Considering that no American ship ever did any such thing, no. See how that works? > > Up until this post I was feeling a little sorry for you with everybody piling on you, **POWER\_station** , but you’re really not helping your case here. \*\* what do you think the reason was for writing something like this ? ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2002, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/42 "2002-04-21T18:59:06Z")
I believe it. What’s WITH YOU PEOPLE??? I cannot BELIEVE THE CYNICISM !!! Why, it was almost yesterday when the [War Of The Worlds](http://www.earthstation1.com/wotw.html) happened !!! 😉 😛 Cartooniverse ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2002, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/43 "2002-04-21T19:01:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by POWER\_station \* > \*\*what do you think the reason was for writing something like this ? \*\* Considering that I’ve seen any number of countries in variations of this, including versions where the ship and the lighthouse are from the same country, I’d say it’s merely another example of the mutability of stories as they are told and retold. I think the real question is in why you posted this; my guess would be a horribly mistaken belief in our gullibility and a misplaced attitude of superiority. ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2002, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/44 "2002-04-21T19:10:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Care to expand on that? Please don’t. Expanding on it would probably involve even more smilies. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2002, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/45 "2002-04-21T20:00:03Z")
> [@](#): > > what do you think the reason was for writing something like this ? If your goal was to prove you are a pseudo-intellectual, imbecilic twit, I have good news for you and your false Socratic method. You’ve accomplished your goal. Twit. ---
**Author:** ![king\_of\_spain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7cd45c/32.png) [@king\_of\_spain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/king_of_spain)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2002, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/46 "2002-04-21T20:39:56Z")
> [@](#): > > what do you think the reason was for writing something like this? So - tell me if I’ve got this straight - the logic you’re using is “People tell jokes about group X having characteristic Y; therefore it must be true, or why else would they tell those jokes?” So, by extension: People tell jokes about Canadians being lumberjacks who live in igloos and eat blubber, therefore it must be true. People tell jokes about the English being stuck-up prigs, therefore it must be true. People tell jokes about Jews being greedy, therefore it must be true. People tell jokes about black people being stupid and violent, therefore it must be true.\* Have I got that right? Also, I note that you haven’t had the guts to take up **Revtim** ’s suggestion of telling us your nationality so we can all mock you properly. [sub]\*no, I’m not comparing anti-American sentiments to prejudice against black people and/or Jews, I’m just using this as an example of how ridiculous the logic is.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2002, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/47 "2002-04-21T20:44:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by POWER\_station \* > \*\*but didn’t we learn something of this little story. > > Perhaps something about the American attitude. [Smilies cut to retain my sense of dignity \*\* Yes. And also the attitude of people from Canada, England, Australia, and where ever the hell “Baile Átha Cliath” is. And this is without counting the folks who left their Location blank or put in something funny. Nice attempt at stereotyping, though. Better luck next time. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2002, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/48 "2002-04-21T20:58:32Z")
Baile Átha Cliath is in Ireland, specifically, it is the formal name, in Irish, for the city known in English as Dublin. _Baile Átha Cliath_ referred to a specific ford over the River Liffey while the term _dubh linn_ referred to a tidal pool closer to the Irish Sea near which the Dublin Castle was built. ---
**Author:** ![cercaria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/87869e/32.png) [@cercaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cercaria)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2002, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/49 "2002-04-21T21:03:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by POWER\_station \* > \*\*what do you think the reason was for writing something like this ? \*\* Ohhhhh… so you _like_ getting piled upon? Kinky. What are you doing this weekend? [sub]I’m not asking for _me_, of course… you see, I have this friend, well, more like a friend of a friend… hey, why are you looking at me like that!!![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2002, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/50 "2002-04-21T22:25:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by POWER\_station \* > \*\*what do you think the reason was for writing something like this ? \*\* So you could make a complete and utter fool of yourself? ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2002, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/51 "2002-04-21T22:35:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by POWER\_station \* > \*\* > > what do you think the reason was for writing something like this ? \*\* Oh, what the heck, I’ll bite. The U.S. Navy is so tough that this story is meaningless. Because, see, the lighthouse should yield, it’s inablity to move notwithstanding. If it doesn’t, the _Lincoln_ and it’s task force could and happily would create a harbor on the site of the (former) lighthouse. Happy now? ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2002, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/52 "2002-04-21T23:22:43Z")
I never thought I’d see it from someone of **manhattan** ’s caliber, but I’m afraid that I have to point out the difference between its and it’s. You see, when you’re discussing possession, such as the inability of a lighthouse to move, or the task force associated with a certain aircraft carrier, you use the version without the apostrophe. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![POWER\_station](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@POWER\_station](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/POWER_station)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/53 "2002-04-22T00:04:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hamlet \* > \*\* > > If your goal was to prove you are a pseudo-intellectual, imbecilic twit, I have good news for you and your false Socratic method. > > You’ve accomplished your goal. Twit. \*\* Nope my goal was to illustrate a bad attitude (even if the story was false). ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/54 "2002-04-22T00:10:14Z")
> [@](#): > > my goal was to illustrate a bad attitude Congratulations, you have illustrated your bad attitude. ---
**Author:** ![stankow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@stankow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stankow)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/55 "2002-04-22T00:11:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by POWER\_station \* > \*\*my goal was to illustrate a bad attitude (even if the story was false). \*\* And you did. Your own. A made-up story does not illustrate anything save the attitudes of its author. Or in this case, its poster. ---
**Author:** ![stankow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@stankow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stankow)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/56 "2002-04-22T00:11:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by POWER\_station \* > \*\*my goal was to illustrate a bad attitude (even if the story was false). \*\* And you did. Your own. A made-up story does not illustrate anything save the attitudes of its author. Or in this case, its poster. ---
**Author:** ![POWER\_station](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@POWER\_station](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/POWER_station)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/57 "2002-04-22T00:26:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\* Congratulations, you have illustrated your bad attitude. \*\* the story illustrates a bad attitude ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/58 "2002-04-22T00:29:27Z")
Yes, but the story is not true. So what have you proven so far, POWER\_station? ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/59 "2002-04-22T00:30:52Z")
Oh, and while I can’t vouch for nationality, I can state that our friend resides near a shitload of fjords. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2002, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689/60 "2002-04-22T00:35:29Z")
Ah, I was afraid of that. The thread has taken a turd for the Norse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-brave-america-he-he-he/104689.md?page=4)