# Brave Scott Brown Bravely Ran Away (from debate with Elizabeth Warren) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677 "2012-06-19T20:28:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/41 "2012-06-20T17:15:51Z")
I just hope Warren stays in good health because I’m looking forward to her 2020 Presidential bid. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/42 "2012-06-20T17:20:00Z")
Obama to Nix Fox Debate [http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2007/04/obama\_to\_nix\_fo/](http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2007/04/obama_to_nix_fo/) ABC News’ Jake Tapper Reports: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, will be the second Democratic presidential candidate to boycott a proposed debate to be broadcast by Fox News Channel. “CNN seems to be a more appropriate host,” an Obama campaign aide tells ABC News. =================================== Hmmmm. Using the left’s logic in this thread, I guess that decision demonstrated Obama’s cowardice. Or, in the words of the OP: “Bawwk! Bawk, bawk, baaaaaaaawwwwkkkkk!!!”. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/43 "2012-06-20T17:27:14Z")
Obama suggested an alternate venue. Did Brown? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/44 "2012-06-20T17:35:22Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Obama suggested an alternate venue. Did Brown? Sure: [http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/brown-campaign-warren-is-the-one-dodging-debate-on-talk-radio.php](http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/brown-campaign-warren-is-the-one-dodging-debate-on-talk-radio.php) In response, the Brown campaign announced it would accept a televised media consortium debate proposal put forward by Warren. But Brown is also urging Warren to debate next week at an event hosted by Boston WBZ talk radio host Dan Rea. “Scott Brown is accepting the debate invitation from the Boston media consortium,” Brown campaign manager Dan Rea said in a statement. “He will be at the first debate at WBZ radio on June 27, just seven days from now. We hope that Elizabeth Warren will stop dodging and join us next week so we can discuss the problem with her extremely liberal tax and spend policies and why they will kill jobs and further damage the economy.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/45 "2012-06-20T17:37:26Z")
According to the scurrilous lefty site I offered above, Brown did appear at a debate in the same venue when he first ran for the office. If they are not making shit up, then what’s different now? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/46 "2012-06-20T17:39:49Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Sure: > > [http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/brown-campaign-warren-is-the-one-dodging-debate-on-talk-radio.php](http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/brown-campaign-warren-is-the-one-dodging-debate-on-talk-radio.php) > > In response, the Brown campaign announced it would accept a televised media consortium debate proposal put forward by Warren. But Brown is also urging Warren to debate next week at an event hosted by Boston WBZ talk radio host Dan Rea. > > “Scott Brown is accepting the debate invitation from the Boston media consortium,” Brown campaign manager Dan Rea said in a statement. “He will be at the first debate at WBZ radio on June 27, just seven days from now. We hope that Elizabeth Warren will stop dodging and join us next week so we can discuss the problem with her extremely liberal tax and spend policies and why they will kill jobs and further damage the economy.” Terr? Dan Rea? Hosting the debate? “Scott Brown campaign manager Dan Rea…” Uh, what? Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/47 "2012-06-20T17:51:41Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Terr? Dan Rea? Hosting the debate? “Scott Brown campaign manager Dan Rea…” Uh, what? Huh? There are three (or is it four) debate venues that were suggested by Brown campaign (and some accepted by Warren). Thus to claim that Brown didn’t suggest other venues is incorrect. Brown is just as much a coward here as Obama was when he didn’t want to debate at Fox. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/48 "2012-06-20T17:52:03Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Terr? Dan Rea? Hosting the debate? “Scott Brown campaign manager Dan Rea…” Uh, what? Huh? Huh, Terr’s source article names Dan Rea as both proposed radio debate host _and_ Brown campaign manager, which suggests one of the following: -sloppy writing by the reporter; -sloppy editing by the editor; -blatant lunacy by the Brown campaign in proposing a debate hosted by one of their own guys; -the name “Dan Rea” is surprisingly common in Massachusetts. Assuming the proposed host is not actually also a campaign manager, and the name confusion is just somebody’s screwup, I have to admit I’m not seeing a right-wing radio host as a likely neutral moderator. As a condition for debate, I’d insist that it was possible to turn the _moderator’s_ microphone off. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/49 "2012-06-20T17:56:20Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Huh, Terr’s source article names Dan Rea as both proposed radio debate host _and_ Brown campaign manager, which suggests one of the following: > > -sloppy writing by the reporter; > -sloppy editing by the editor; Both. Brown’s campaign manager’s name is Jim Barnett. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/50 "2012-06-20T17:56:27Z")
Per the article linked [here](http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/19/in-massachusetts-senate-race-a-debate-over-a-debate/), Mr. Brown’s campaign manager appears to be named Jim Barnett. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/51 "2012-06-20T18:02:00Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Hmmmm. Using the left’s logic in this thread, I guess that decision demonstrated Obama’s cowardice. Or, in the words of the OP: “Bawwk! Bawk, bawk, baaaaaaaawwwwkkkkk!!!”. As i said to **John Mace** earlier, i don’t really blame Brown for avoiding the venue. My main problem was with him accepting the venue, but placing completely unreasonable conditions on his appearance. It would be like Obama agreeing to a FOX debate, on the condition that no FOX commentators take any position on the upcoming election. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/52 "2012-06-20T18:22:22Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Both. Brown’s campaign manager’s name is Jim Barnett. Then I add it was rather sloppy on _your_ part to quote the article without proof-reading it. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/53 "2012-06-20T18:24:48Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Then I add it was rather sloppy on _your_ part to quote the article without proof-reading it. I am not an editor. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/54 "2012-06-20T18:29:53Z")
In any case, Warren can impress Jon Stewart, which leaves me little doubt she can crush Brown. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/55 "2012-06-20T21:04:36Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Obama to Nix Fox Debate > > [http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2007/04/obama\_to\_nix\_fo/](http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2007/04/obama_to_nix_fo/) > > ABC News’ Jake Tapper Reports: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, will be the second Democratic presidential candidate to boycott a proposed debate to be broadcast by Fox News Channel. > > “CNN seems to be a more appropriate host,” an Obama campaign aide tells ABC News. > > =================================== > > Hmmmm. Using the left’s logic in this thread, I guess that decision demonstrated Obama’s cowardice. Or, in the words of the OP: “Bawwk! Bawk, bawk, baaaaaaaawwwwkkkkk!!!”. You ignored this part of the piece. > [@](#): > > Obama and Fox News Channel have had frosty relations ever since January, when the channel hyped and repeated untrue allegations that Obama had attended an extremist Islamist madrassa as a child living in Indonesia If MSNBC had hyped and repeated allegations that Scott Brown had attended KKK rallies while growing up the comparison might be relevant, which they didn’t and if MSNBC had been the hosts of the Kennedy Center debate, which they weren’t, you’d have point, but since neither is true, you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/56 "2012-06-21T00:41:05Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > As much as she ever was. A little harsh. If I recall correctly, she’s spent some time advocating stem cell research. R. Reagan also had a pretty reasonable approach to immigration (at least from Mexico). It was Clinton that severely curtailed Mexican immigration into the US. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/57 "2012-06-21T04:09:36Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > A little harsh. If I recall correctly, she’s spent some time advocating stem cell research. And I read in some checkout newspaper that Peter Lawford and Robert Walker drove to Las Vegas with her and alternated in the back seat. Lawford was quoted as saying she “gave the best ‘unnatural sex’ (newspaper’s euphemism) in Hollywood,” so I guess she was lively at some point. And the way she looked so wet and gooey when she was filmed with Sinatra showed there was some life in the old girl yet. Ah, [here is the book](http://www.amazon.com/Peter-Lawford-Story-Patricia/dp/0515102644/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340251411&sr=1-3&keywords=peter+lawford) the paper was quoting. Might be worth a penny plus postage for a laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/58 "2012-06-21T05:49:31Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Brown is just as much a coward here as Obama was when he didn’t want to debate at Fox. You realize that the debate is that Obama backed out of was one in which only the Democratic candidates were participating. Backing out of a debate with several candidates of your own party is very different from backing out of a debate where you represent your party against the other party’s nominee. Did you read the rest of the article where the head of Fox News was joking about how Obama and Osama Bin Laden had similar names? You think he was going to get a fair shake on FOX? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/59 "2012-06-21T05:51:56Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > You realize that the debate is that Obama backed out of was one in which only the Democratic candidates were participating. Backing out of a debate with several candidates of your own party is very different from backing out of a debate where you represent your party against the other party’s nominee. > Did you read the rest of the article where the head of Fox News was joking about how Obama and Osama Bin Laden had similar names? You think he was going to get a fair shake on FOX? You just pointed out that the debate was among Democrat candidates. So - do you think Fox would have tried to help some other Democrat candidate against Obama? I thought you guys have convinced yourselves that Fox hates all Democrats equally. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brave-scott-brown-bravely-ran-away-from-debate-with-elizabeth-warren/625677/60 "2012-06-21T06:22:19Z")
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