No, I didn’t miss the report above that relied on data from two decades ago.
There is no such thing as an “in general” deal. If you can’t compare this specific deal to other specific deals from the past, then you have no clue how good or bad it is. For all you know, this move relies on half the taxpayer funding of the average stadium project.
Somebody does. Don’t remember hearing about a referendum in Cobb, though, so it seems the people who’ll be paying for it weren’t part of the decision-making process.
2013 - 2005 = 8 years.
Math fail.
They said in the ajc that the residents would be voting on proposals later, I think.
Are you saying they don’t use data from 20 years ago, and older? Is this a joke, or are you asserting they only used 8 year old data?
Jesus, what a joke. Knock off the spinning and try addressing the points I made.
Right on. To compare downtown traffic to 75-285 (or Spaghetti Junction at 85-285) is ridiculous. Both of the latter are far worse than downtown traffic. Not to mention that if you are coming from the North or Northeast suburbs, you could jump onto MARTA, get off at 5 Points Station, and take the Braves shuttle 1.5 miles to Turner Field.
There is no train that goes anywhere near Cobb County (unlike Gwinnett). 75-285 is already a parking lot at rush hour (3:30 to 6:30, if not later, in Atlanta). This is going to make it far, far worse.
I don’t see a point. All I see is unsupported claims that this deal is different and that all the writing I’ve linked to is flawed somehow (but you can’t seem to bring yourself to demonstrate why it’s flawed.)
For example, do you understand that the paper I posted examined data from 1980 to 2005? Do you understand what a regression analysis is? Should they have excluded the data from 1980 and done a regression from 1981 to 2005 to satisfy you? Why would that possibly have helped? (I believe it would have made their analysis less robust.)
Please. The connector is not better than 285, and almost nobody takes that MARTA shuttle to games. If you want a shuttle, you can take the Cobb Transit.
Please show me where I said it was flawed. I said all deals are different, you are the claiming all deals can be lumped into some generality.
I understand that stadium deals have changed dramatically in the past 20 years. I also understand that “in general” doesn’t mean squat when you’re evaluating the quality of one specific deal.
You are claiming this will be bad for Cobb taxpayers. Please demonstrate why. Hint: “Some deals are bad” is not an good answer.
This is probably the most ridiculous nonsense ever. The MARTA shuttle is absolutely packed! You can especially see it at the end of a game, where people are lined up to take the shuttle back to 5 Points. When is the last time you were at the Ted?
As for Cobb Transit?!! LOL!! You are comparing an 8 mile (at least) bus ride from a MARTA station to Cobb County to a shuttle that goes 1.5 miles?
I’ve seen far more people avoid 285 than the connector. People who live in other cities I’ve spoken to are usually adamant about how utterly horrible 285 is. At least the connector has a ton more lanes.
The top of the connector westbound is not particularly slammed at afternoon rush hour, from east of 85 until Riverside. The other direction is relatively wide open headed eastbound west of 75. Things get very gummed up at the 75/285 interchange, but no more so that the Memorial/MLK exits during a Braves game.
I go to several games a year, including this one. A packed shuttle equates to how many people? Are we talking a few hundred per game? A few thousand? The braves organization seemed to think it was a very small number.
The Braves organization didn’t care due to the free money they are getting from Cobb County. I’d say it is a few thousand in total based on the jam packed shuttles (I’m estimating that each bus holds ~100 people) and masses of people waiting after the games end (with shuttles running really quickly to and fro getting people back to Five points).
I’d like to see statistics on that.
Are you saying the Braves don’t care about attendance because of the amount of money they are getting for the stadium? If so, we need to have a talk about that ridiculous nonsense statement you made above. The whole reason they’re doing this is to drive increased attendance. If they thought the lack of a Marta line would cause decreased ticket sales overall, they wouldn’t be doing this.
ETA: 100 people?? How friggin big is the shuttle? School buses hold 50-75 kids.
I’m saying the Braves organization doesn’t care about how many people take the shuttles. I think they are fine with slightly lesser attendance if the money is more (due to more expensive tickets - Turner’s are very low - or luxury boxes).
Have you ever seen a MARTA bus? They are larger than any school bus and allow people to stand in the aisles (which no school bus ever does).
The Marta buses I’ve been on don’t seat anywhere hear as much as a school bus. Maybe it’s close if people stand, but they aren’t set up with row after row like a school bus.
Why should the Braves care how many people take the Marta shuttle? It’s operated at a loss, and was even axed for a time in 2010.
The one game I attended at Turner Field (I don’t live in Atlanta), I took the MARTA bus. There were easily 500 people waiting in front of me, plus all those who were behind me (I don’t know how many), plus however many had come and gone before I got in line. It was a ton of people.
Is there / will there be a bus that goes from the Five Points area to the stadium?
No way. It’s too far away. The only reason it runs from there now is because it’s the closest stop with bus service.
Something like 50% of the shuttle riders are out-of-towners. Most probably come from Buckhead hotels, if I had to guess.
You think the Braves take the loss? It was axed by MARTA and then brought back and when they were thinking of axing it again in 2012, there was a huge public outcry.
I think it shows that the desire for mass transit options.
Bullshit. Total bullshit. There wasn’t a huge public outcry, there were some people who pointed out that a lot of the workers took the train and shuttle.
Marta operates it at a loss, not the braves. Again, why should the braves care who takes marta, if they think their attendance won’t suffer by moving away from the line?
Yeah, I think not. No structural part of the Kingdome ever failed, no piece of concrete fell, nor did the ceiling tiles that did fall injure or kill anyone. Concerns about the structural integrity of the Kingdome were grossly overstated, but it was severely lacking in tony luxury accommodations and offered no practical way to fix that tragic fault, so it had to be demolished.