# Brazil presidential election run-off (10/30/2022); 2023-01-08 Insurrection

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [October 30, 2022, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047 "2022-10-30T23:20:57Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/41 "2023-01-08T19:13:50Z")

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> [@Lance\_Turbo](#):
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> This doesn’t sound good.

You made the call!

> <https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1612163675959472128?t=ERpLkjlb9N5MkYB6EIHnMQ&s=19>

[https://twitter.com/davidrkadler/status/1612152507727499265?t=j9dfepdjcluaas8atcZSCA&s=19](https://twitter.com/davidrkadler/status/1612152507727499265?t=j9dfepdjcluaas8atcZSCA&s=19)

[https://twitter.com/misteriouspavao/status/1612159995369623552?t=bZXsa6zCZUKqPdeJqKOYHQ&s=19](https://twitter.com/misteriouspavao/status/1612159995369623552?t=bZXsa6zCZUKqPdeJqKOYHQ&s=19)

> <https://twitter.com/choquei/status/1612165114760761345?t=7tI-ugssQ1yqfcLWx9jJpw&s=19>

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/42 "2023-01-08T19:30:51Z")

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Any summary of what is happening so far?

I doubt anyone wants to sit through 3 videos.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/43 "2023-01-08T19:33:56Z")

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No, it started around an hour ago. The videos are just 30-45 second social media postings by people who are participating.

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/44 "2023-01-08T19:34:23Z")

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> **[Security forces regain control after Bolsonaro supporters storm Brazil's...](https://www.npr.org/2023/01/08/1147757260/bolsonaro-supporters-storm-brazil-congress-lula)**
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> Supporters of far-right former President Jair Bolsonaro, who are calling on the military to take control of the country, broke into three government buildings in Brazil's capital on Sunday.

This one is promised to be updated as they learn anything new.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/45 "2023-01-08T19:44:45Z")

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Military vehicles led the procession of people to the Congress:

> <https://twitter.com/davidrkadler/status/1612166820672176129?t=VQZ3zECSq7unzAT8GGZNaw&s=19>

Horses are being beaten:

> <https://twitter.com/davidrkadler/status/1612170270122418176?t=vpqarGOvDnfA-8CoC5G9jg&s=19>

They have entered the Presidential palace:

> <https://twitter.com/davidrkadler/status/1612159993826136064?t=yWgy5-UiHgSTg0r8Be5GbA&s=19>

And the Brazilian Supreme Court:

> <https://twitter.com/davidrkadler/status/1612166441259892737?t=TnPvBIqG3tyltgGIqO5n8A&s=19>

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**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/46 "2023-01-08T19:48:32Z")

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Here’s the head of a Twitter thread that gets updated from time to time by Brazilian journo Nathalia Urban.

> <https://twitter.com/UrbanNathalia/status/1612150826809839619>

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**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/47 "2023-01-08T19:50:47Z")

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I don’t think Bolsonaro himself is actually in Brazil right now.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/48 "2023-01-08T19:51:11Z")

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He is in Orlando, about 100 miles from Mar-A-Lago.

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**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/49 "2023-01-08T19:51:49Z")

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Can’t say I blame him. Epcot is pretty sweet.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/50 "2023-01-08T19:52:16Z")

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So is access to the last major figure to try this

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/51 "2023-01-08T19:53:28Z")

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My post beat my phone notification by 39 minutes. Come to the SDMB for the latest in breaking news… 😉

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**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/52 "2023-01-08T19:57:05Z")

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Thanks John.

Since I started this thread I do a Twitter search for “Bolsonaro” and “Brazil” from time to time. There’s been some minor incidents that weren’t big enough to update the thread. But it di feel like this was brewing.

I thought they might have been out of the woods when Bolsonaro left the country at the end of the year. Sucks to be wrong about that.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/53 "2023-01-08T19:57:54Z")

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Plausible deniability. That’s the lesson _he_ learned from Trump.

Oh, and 'if you can, flee the crime scene _before_ the crime." That’s a valuable lesson too, one which Trump absolutely flaunted.

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/54 "2023-01-08T19:59:06Z")

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Just a reminder, this thread is not about Trump.

## Do not turn it into yet another thread about Trump.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/55 "2023-01-08T20:00:15Z")

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It’s not. But it has been reliably reported that Trump’s advisors, Bannon et al, had a hand in this. That’s undeniable.

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**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/56 "2023-01-08T20:07:12Z")

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I started an ATMB thread for discussion of this mod action. Note: I’m not super upset about it or anything. Just trying to get a feel for the boundaries.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/57 "2023-01-08T20:07:47Z")

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Personally, I don’t need to talk about trump anymore. I’ve made my observation, and that’s that.

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**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/58 "2023-01-08T20:11:50Z")

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Looks like the action is not confined to Brasilia.

> <https://twitter.com/Miriam31932023/status/1611869573787140098>

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**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/59 "2023-01-08T20:15:14Z")

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I am not sure if the Tweet I posted above is accurate. Twitter user \<first name\>\<string of numbers\> is often some kind of propaganda bot.

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**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\
**Post date:** [January 8, 2023, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil-presidential-election-run-off-10-30-2022-2023-01-08-insurrection/974047/60 "2023-01-08T20:26:07Z")

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You don’t answer to me or anything @Toffe , but I think a lot of folks would appreciate an update from you.

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