# Brazil84 doesn't get what's wrong with the claim that majorities of sub-saharan africans are retards **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 25, 2013, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198 "2013-10-25T11:29:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/221 "2013-10-29T08:01:48Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I do think that **Chief Pendant** and **Chen019** have the best handle on the whole Race/IQ issue. Well of course you do. Because you’re also a racist, just like them. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/222 "2013-10-29T12:23:10Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I do think that **Chief Pendant** and **Chen019** have the best handle on the whole Race/IQ issue If that’s what you’ve come away with after seeing them post the same discredited sources again and again, having seen their tired arguments refuted with sound data, and see them weasel themselves around their poor logic then there’s really not much hope for you. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/223 "2013-10-29T14:38:15Z")
Dear **Brazil84** , I have been reading your newsletter and I find your opinions fascinating. Please allow me to share with you some of my own. To wit, you, sir, are worse than **Clothahump** (who, incidentally, is worse than Hitler). Reading your posts feels like having a giant prick jammed into one’s eye: Startling, rude, inappropriate, unappreciated, a little smelly, yet at the same time perversely alluring. As you wave your prick about like a judges gavel, declaring more and more of this community to be banned and banished from your sight, do you not begin to feel just a tad lonely? I hope for your sake and the sake of those with whom you interact in real life, that you are a just another deliberate internet troll. Because if your behavior here reflects the _real_ you, that’s . . . kind of sad really. To the seasoned posters contributing to this pitting, would it be presumptuous of someone as relatively green as me to report this guy for breaking the cardinal rule (ie, for aggressive jerkishness)? Or are you keeping him around to poke sticks at him? I know I should just walk away, but it’s _so_ hard to do when someone is THIS wrong on the internet!!! ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/224 "2013-10-29T16:04:12Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Reading your posts feels like having a giant prick jammed into one’s eye: That unpleasant feeling is formally referred to as “cognitive dissonance.” > [@](#): > > do you not begin to feel just a tad lonely? Not at all. See, I don’t post here for social reasons. It may seem strange to you, but some people choose their beliefs based on logic, reason, and evidence. As opposed to simply choosing what’s fashionable and likely to increase their social acceptance. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/225 "2013-10-29T16:31:35Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Not at all. See, I don’t post here for social reasons. It may seem strange to you, but some people choose their beliefs based on logic, reason, and evidence. As opposed to simply choosing what’s fashionable and likely to increase their social acceptance. And some people, failing to achieve either of the above, just post as a form of masturbation. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/226 "2013-10-29T16:36:45Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > You know, if all of the people he’s still willing to acknowledge the existence of tried just a bit and got ignored, there’d be nothing left for him to do here. > > Just saying. > [@brazil84](#): > > Not at all. See, I don’t post here for social reasons. It may seem strange to you, but some people choose their beliefs based on logic, reason, and evidence. As opposed to simply choosing what’s fashionable and likely to increase their social acceptance. See what I mean about self-important and delusional? Brazilnut would keep posting here and patting himself on the back for the delusional belief he is winning debates long after banninating everyone else on the board. And Brazilnut: **Not Carlson** was referring to the fact that you ban people for proving you wrong, not your social status based upon having unpopular ideas. You couldn’t debate your way out of a wet paper bag or identify logic, reason, and evidence if they crawled up your ass and died. It’s quite hilarious that you consider sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming “LALALALALA I can’t hear you” to be proof of being a martyr for truth. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/227 "2013-10-29T17:57:00Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > You couldn’t debate your way out of a wet paper bag or identify logic, reason, and evidence if they crawled up your ass and died. It’s quite hilarious that you consider sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming “LALALALALA I can’t hear you” to be proof of being a martyr for truth. No, I just don’t engage with people who insist on engaging in certain types of conduct, such as misrepresentation of other peoples’ or their own arguments. Let me ask you this: Do you agree with **Karrius** ’ claim that I use the “exact same cites in every thread”? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/228 "2013-10-29T18:16:03Z")
[quote=“brazil84, post:135, topic:672198”] If every last person were mentally retarded, you might have a point. However, even in a country with an average IQ of 70, there will be a lot of people of high intelligence.[/QUIOTE] Not very many as a percentage. A society relies on everyone being reasonably smart for it to work. You simply can’t have the majority of people require ongoing help to just get through life and expect anything to work. > [@](#): > > So I have a strong feeling that much of the shiny infrastructure you are crowing about is actually the doing of Western and/or East Asian contractors. Sure, and my car was built in Korea, which does not mean Koreans are smarter than Canadians. Who RUNS the infrastructure? Do you actually not know how much work goes into just keeping a city running, or how complicated it gets? > [@](#): > > Also, are you saying that the average national IQs in all countries are equal? Depends what you mean by “IQ.” Would a test yield the same result in every country? Probably not, since IQ test results are heavily influenced by factors outside of inherent intelligence. Are all countries populated by people of essentially equal intelligence? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/229 "2013-10-29T18:47:40Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Are all countries populated by people of essentially equal intelligence? Yes. \Well, presumably highly artificial states like Vatican City wouldn’t necessarily follow this rule, but it’s an exception in more ways than one.\ We’ve played this game with brazzers a little too long. I was browsing the Omnibus Racist Asshole thread from last year and was reminded of the studies of African immigrants to the UK and Germany. The children of those immigrants didn’t really show the same level of disparity in school testing as in the US. Or really any disparity at all after controlling for income. Funny, that. Almost like we haven’t evened out all the things in our society, especially across nations and especially in the US, that might result in different outcomes. Didn’t really seem to phase **B84** or **CP** or **Chen019** back then, either. It’s not like things like numbers, facts, or logic will get in the way of our resident SDMB racist thugs. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/230 "2013-10-29T19:14:29Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > No, I just don’t engage with people who insist on engaging in certain types of conduct, such as misrepresentation of other peoples’ or their own arguments. > > Let me ask you this: > > Do you agree with **Karrius** ’ claim that I use the “exact same cites in every thread”? Who knows if you’ve banned me? Anyway, I agree and disagree with him. Disagree: his exact wording is imprecise. If he were a robot talking, or if I had to assign a truth value to what he said, of course I’d say it was false, because for example there’s a thread on Minecraft that you haven’t even posted in, much less used any cites in. Agree: set aside the hyperbole and assumptions, and I strongly suspect that you often use the same cites repeatedly in different threads, even though others have shown you that these cites were significantly flawed (I say “strongly suspect” because I don’t care enough about you to remember the cites you use). And I read **Karrius** not as a robot speaking robotese, but as a human speaking with human linguistic patterns, which include exaggerations, generalizations, and underlying assumptions. And that’s all fine. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/231 "2013-10-29T19:36:34Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > That unpleasant feeling is formally referred to as “cognitive dissonance.” Actually, more akin to the feeling of disgust you get when the mentally retarded kid says something disgustingly stupid and offensive. …Kind of an irony there, isn’t there?` ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/232 "2013-10-29T20:18:40Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > No, I just don’t engage with people who insist on engaging in certain types of conduct, such as misrepresentation of other peoples’ or their own arguments. I’m sure you believe this is true as you are quite a delusional whackadoo. Consider the size of your bannination list and let’s try Occam’s Razor on this, which is more likely: you are a special little snowflake and in your martyrdom for truth you are a magnet for these “certain types of conduct” to a level grossly greater than any other person, or your social and debating skills are so incredibly poor that you have to stick your fingers in your ears to get by. Add to that you are so self-important that rather than simply putting someone on ignore, you feel the need to announce it to everyone that you are doing so. This is why everyone knows how large your bannination list is. Even more loony tunes, you used to announce not just to people reading a thread on this message board that you were banninating someone, you created a blog to announce it on. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/233 "2013-10-29T23:13:07Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > It may seem strange to you, but some people choose their beliefs based on logic, reason, and evidence. As opposed to simply choosing what’s fashionable and likely to increase their social acceptance. I too have heard rumours of such creatures. > [@brazil84](#): > > No, I just don’t engage with people who insist on engaging in certain types of conduct, **such as misrepresentation of other peoples’ or their own arguments**. So . . . you’ve put \*yourself \*on the ignore list now? That’s very. . . meta. But I suppose it does explain a few things about your posting style. I still maintain that it must be very lonely when you cannot engage in even internal debate, but I assume you will continue to \*engage \*yourself in other ways. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/234 "2013-10-30T01:17:20Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Who knows if you’ve banned me? I do Lefty…worked it out with the Brazilidinger equation I developed while cleaning the crud out from under a toenail. You’re half banned/half way to getting your eye poked out with a giant penis.:eek: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/235 "2013-10-30T04:24:09Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Not at all. See, I don’t post here for social reasons. It may seem strange to you, but some people choose their beliefs based on logic, reason, and evidence. As opposed to simply choosing what’s fashionable and likely to increase their social acceptance. Now you tell me there’s a choice. Wish I knew that I could have skipped all that studying and just gone for style. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/236 "2013-10-30T10:48:53Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Not at all. See, I don’t post here for social reasons. It may seem strange to you, but some people choose their beliefs based on logic, reason, and evidence. As opposed to simply choosing what’s fashionable and likely to increase their social acceptance. Knock it off you fools! You’re in the presence of greatness. An original thinker. A maverick! You know who else was an original thinker and maverick on issues of race?.. I bet you don’t even know. Next, **brazil84** laughs in the face of irony: > [@brazil84](#): > > That unpleasant feeling is formally referred to as “cognitive dissonance.” Definition: “The theory of cognitive dissonance in social psychology proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by altering existing cognitions, adding new ones to create a consistent belief system, or alternatively by reducing the importance of any one of the dissonant elements. Cognitive dissonance is the distressing mental state that people feel when they “find themselves doing things that don’t fit with what they know, or having opinions that do not fit with other opinions they hold.” A key assumption is that people want their expectations to meet reality, creating a sense of equilibrium. Likewise, another assumption is that a person will avoid situations or information sources that give rise to feelings of uneasiness, or dissonance.” Oh, snap! That’ll teach you all to mess with The Makon. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/237 "2013-10-30T11:54:53Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > The board does have an ignore feature, but there’s no real way to tell if he’s actually using it or if he’s just saying he’s ignoring people. I thought it was a bannable offense to tell people you were putting them on ignore (or at least worthy of a mod warning) just because the only real reason for doing so was to start fights. That rule changed some time ago. You are able to talk about who you are ignoring but only in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/238 "2013-10-30T13:04:24Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > I’m sure you believe this is true as you are quite a delusional whackadoo. Well perhaps you are the one who is delusional. Let’s look at the evidence. For example, consider the most recent addition to my shit list: **Karrius**. For starters, do you agree with his assertion that I post the “exact same cites in every thread?” > [@](#): > > Consider the size of your bannination list and let’s try Occam’s Razor on this, which is more likely: you are a special little snowflake and in your martyrdom for truth you are a magnet for these “certain types of conduct” to a level grossly greater than any other person, or your social and debating skills are so incredibly poor that you have to stick your fingers in your ears to get by. Another possibility is that I prefer not to engage with people who strawman; who weasel; and so forth. It’s not like these kinds of tactics are incredibly rare. You yourself attempted to strawman me a while back but disappeared when I called you out on it. But again, let’s focus on the evidence: Do you agree with Karrius’ assertion that I post the “exact same cites in every thread?” Of course, I have a feeling that you are not interested in considering evidence which might undermine your position. But we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/239 "2013-10-30T13:12:20Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Another possibility is that I prefer not to engage with people who strawman; who weasel; and so forth. This possibility can be easily dismissed- you nitpick and pretend rhetorical devices (like hyperbole) are meant to be literal just so you can find a reason to pretend to ban them. Coincidentally (or not) this always happens at the same time you are losing an argument (which is most of the time). ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/240 "2013-10-30T13:13:53Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > Yeah, I think I’m done here. I’ll take that as you were unable to identify in the posts I cited from the thread in question points that supported your characterizations of them. So, you look for an excuse to run away. I’m not surprised. Seems like you’re just happy to jump on the bag wagon and throw stones at the ones you and the crowd think deserve it. Funny thing, this brazil84 who you think so lowly of, at least he forms his own ideas and then seeks to defend them. But I guess you find it easier to throw those rocks. Guess we all do what we can… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198.md?page=13)