# Brazil84 doesn't get what's wrong with the claim that majorities of sub-saharan africans are retards **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 25, 2013, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198 "2013-10-25T11:29:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/161 "2013-10-27T17:02:44Z")
I’m asking nicely, again, will you please put me on your ignore list? Or do I have to earn it? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/162 "2013-10-27T17:06:06Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > More projection, I imagine. Sorry that you feel that way about yourself. The Peewee Herman defense: “I know you are, but what am I?” Brilliantly clever. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/163 "2013-10-27T17:06:36Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > And you never thought to read the link. I didn’t at the moment – I was more focused on the question of the functionality of a country with very low average IQ. But once **armedmonkey** stated that the information I asked for was in his cite, I looked. And thanked him. That should have been the end of it, but **armedmonkey** decided to lie about the exchange. Anyway, please answer my question from before: I’ve been presented with a claim that the average IQ in the United States in the 1930s was 80 and now it’s close to 100. It sounds like you are saying that things like iodization of salt and improvements in education did not play a role in this increase. Or did I misunderstand you? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/164 "2013-10-27T17:08:44Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > I’m asking nicely, again, will you please put me on your ignore list? Lol, I will consider your request. You are of course free to put me on your own ignore list. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/165 "2013-10-27T17:09:06Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I didn’t at the moment – I was more focused on the question of the functionality of a country with very low average IQ. > > But once **armedmonkey** stated that the information I asked for was in his cite, I looked. And thanked him. > > That should have been the end of it, but **armedmonkey** decided to lie about the exchange. > > Anyway, please answer my question from before: > > I’ve been presented with a claim that the average IQ in the United States in the 1930s was 80 and now it’s close to 100. > > It sounds like you are saying that things like iodization of salt and improvements in education did not play a role in this increase. Or did I misunderstand you? There’s a number of factors that contribute. As I mentioned earlier which you didn’t seem to understand, the 80 is from using a modern IQ test not one appropriate for that era. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/166 "2013-10-27T17:14:39Z")
The brazil nut is ignoring me too, but it should be enough to point out that in the \*\*armedmonkey \*\*cite there is this: > [@](#): > > Ulric Neisser estimates that using the IQ values of today the average IQ of the United States in 1932, according to the first Stanford–Binet Intelligence Scales standardization sample, was 80. I can conclude that what brazil does is just a "find’ search in the page and if the wording is not just like he likes it he will continue to show all what a dolt he is. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/167 "2013-10-27T17:18:23Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > He’s on my shit list so I don’t engage with him. The answer is no, I did not see it before and I did not read it now. What is your “shit list” and how is it different from your “ignore list” or do you use those terms interchangeably? Anyway, what exactly did I do to get put on it, because I honestly don’t remember? I just remember an argument where you insisted the fertility rates among West Bank Jews was so high they’d soon outnumber the Palestinians on the West Bank, which is rather laughable to anyone who’s ever visited the area. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/168 "2013-10-27T17:22:14Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > More projection, I imagine. Sorry that you feel that way about yourself. Christ you’re childish. Please get the fuck out of this thread. There is no debate here. If you don’t see the problem with asserting that the average person in sub-saharan Africa is about as smart as a person with downs syndrome, then you clearly have some sort of deep mental retardation. Maybe you live in Uganda and are the reason the average is so low. ---
**Author:** ![drew870mitchell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drew870mitchell/32/3946_2.png) [@drew870mitchell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drew870mitchell)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/169 "2013-10-27T17:22:53Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The main requirement for getting on **brazil84’s** ignore list is to be smarter than him, which sets the bar extraordinarily low. Unless we have a few developmentally disabled opossums posting here, it probably includes everyone else on the board. The SDMB mods should watch this situation carefully. On another forum (Something Awful?) they had been noticing performance issues with the server, and it was a mystery until they narrowed it down to when one guy was logged on, whom they found had added over ten thousand accounts to his ignore list. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/170 "2013-10-27T17:23:32Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > There’s a number of factors that contribute. Again, does that mean yes or no? > [@](#): > > As I mentioned earlier which you didn’t seem to understand, the 80 is from using a modern IQ test not one appropriate for that era. Well I’m trying to understand what role you believe this issue plays. Let’s assume that there is a substantial difference between the measured IQs of Americans from the 1930s and those of Americans in 2013. Do you believe that if Americans from the 1930s had been given an “appropriate” IQ test, they would score basically the same as they do now? And what would an “appropriate” test be? Would the RPM test be appropriate? ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/171 "2013-10-27T17:32:25Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And I once again must point out you violated your own rules. Can he “ban” himself? ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/172 "2013-10-27T17:45:33Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Srsly? That’s so fucking psychotic it’s actually funny. You must find this blog and share it with the rest of us. Srsly? Just start Googling his user name. By the time you type the ‘8’, ‘brazil84 blog’ is the 4th auto-complete choice. And his blog is the first hit on that search. FTR, I don’t know if I’m on his list. He’s never posted the ‘I don’t engage with this poster’ in response to a post of mine. Technically, I’ve never violated his ‘rules of debate’, because I never actually posted an argument in response to any post of his. I’ve only posted mockery, which _technically_ doesn’t violate any of his ‘rules’. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/173 "2013-10-27T18:39:00Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Srsly? Just start Googling his user name. By the time you type the ‘8’, ‘brazil84 blog’ is the 4th auto-complete choice. And his blog is the first hit on that search. From the blog: > [@](#): > > My answer, of course is very simple: I don’t know. I think that sums things up quite well! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/174 "2013-10-27T20:43:44Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, I will consider your request. You are of course free to put me on your own ignore list. Yeah! Suck it bitches! Another thing I want to do is buy a life insurance policy for $100,000 benefits, and give it to Fred Phelps and clan if they show up at my funeral to protest. Otherwise the benefit should go to some gay rights organization. Hey, I’m selfish and liberal. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/175 "2013-10-27T20:46:51Z")
> [@sylmar](#): > > _snip_Come one, come all! And witness Mags~ Pointless, long winded, bombastic hair splitter extraordinaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiire!! :rolleyes: In your world and the world of many leftist geniuses on this board, making a distinction between a lie and a statement that is simply untrue is “splitting hairs”. I’m not surprised you and others would think so, as it interferes with your ad hominem level of debate, which is precisely the point. Thanks for drawing extra attention to it. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/176 "2013-10-27T20:56:22Z")
What’s really sad here, is that there are some interesting things to think about regarding this topic if you can get past **brazil’s** piss poor debating style and reading comprehension. Literacy _does_ affect IQ. That’s pretty measurable, actually. But what does it mean? It may not mean much in regards to actual intelligence. That’s where too may people get tripped up when IQ comes up. IQ does not equal intelligence. If you think about the Flynn Effect for more than a few seconds, that becomes clear. There’s other factors that come in to play, too. I have already touched on an IQ test bias for industrialized countries due to the Flynn Effect, but we also know that pediatric nutrition plays an important part in intellectual development. Is that a contributing factor in the test score discrepancy? If so, how much? What about the stress caused by poverty? Interesting questions to explore, but **brazil** is so damn … well, he’s so damn _ **brazil** _ that any hopes of intelligent debate get lost. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/177 "2013-10-27T21:07:39Z")
It is indeed like the brazil nuts, radioactive for a debate. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/178 "2013-10-27T21:31:02Z")
You know, if all of the people he’s still willing to acknowledge the existence of tried just a bit and got ignored, there’d be nothing left for him to do here. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/179 "2013-10-27T22:00:09Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > How can I get on this ignore list of honor? When in doubt, tell the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198/180 "2013-10-27T22:33:59Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > You know, if all of the people he’s still willing to acknowledge the existence of tried just a bit and got ignored, there’d be nothing left for him to do here. > > Just saying. Hope springs eternal, but consider that this is someone so self-important that he made a blog to announce to the world the people he is ignoring, and so delusional that he thinks he wins debates. I’m pretty sure he’d keep posting here and patting himself on the back even after putting the entire board on ignore. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-doesnt-get-whats-wrong-with-the-claim-that-majorities-of-sub-saharan-africans-are-retards/672198.md?page=10)