# Brazil84 is a fucking moron **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 10, 2008, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779 "2008-03-10T00:00:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/41 "2008-07-02T18:41:25Z")
[QUOTE=Sage Rat] I’d just like to also complement **jshore**. I participate occasionally even though I know that I know significantly less and am more likely to get caught off my feet and have to go scouting for information and do some hard thinking, but I _hope_ that having someone in there a little less technical occasionally helps the lurking readers… Perhaps I just hinder things of course… :o [/QUOTE] I’d say you post good stuff. But yeah a tip of the hat to Jshore who has saintly patience. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/42 "2008-07-02T18:59:09Z")
[QUOTE=jshore] Well, I just want to thank those of you who said kind things about me here. I do sometimes wonder if it is worth the effort to continue to respond to **brazil84** , as I have long since given up on the idea that I can change his mind on anything. But, it is nice to hear that others still find my responses useful since that has been my main motivation for continuing to respond. [/QUOTE] The choir thinks you’re one hell of a preacher. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/43 "2008-07-02T19:36:42Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] The choir thinks you’re one hell of a preacher. [/QUOTE] Be still, sexton, and go and clean the vestry. If it is done before vespers you shall have a crust. ---
**Author:** ![Vlad\_Igor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Vlad\_Igor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vlad_Igor)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2008, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/44 "2008-07-02T23:11:39Z")
[QUOTE=aptronym] …who are vaguely familiar with analytical methods but have no concept of the physical concepts that lie underneath. [/QUOTE] This is a real problem, but it doesn’t help that us scientific types go on to say: [QUOTE=aptronym] That radiative forcing is derived from an integration of a radiative cross-section over all wavelengths normalized by the Wein distribution of a blackbody Earth and not really subject to statistical analysis is a completely foreign subject to them. [/QUOTE] Yes, it is completely foreign to them, and when we spout off like this (and I’m aware that this passage may just be an example, not part of the ongoing discussion), we don’t help them understand or make our knowledge more accessible. I essentially have an MS in Biochemistry, so I’m not exactly stupid here, but the above passage may as well be written in Mandarin for all it tells me. If it were written more accessibly, where the concepts are explained rather than the grinding detail, I would understand what it is saying, and perhaps even have a constructive, meaningful discussion about it. And yes, it is possible to explain complex concepts without dumbing down the discussion. This has always been a problem for scientists, and it contributes to the phenomenon personified by **Brazil84**. Rather than be intimidated, they may try to throw in terms they’ve heard but have no idea what they mean, or they flail about while misunderstanding and misapplying concepts that are discussed on a level that takes the discussion out of their reach. Knowledge needs to be shared with everyone, and needs to be shared in a way that includes everyone. Otherwise, we will waste time trying to correct ideas that we, as scientists, haven’t always explained very well to begin with. I find fault with **brazil84** for not making an effort to use critical thinking, but I also find fault with myself and other scientists for not making an effort to truly educate. Vlad/Igor ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2008, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/45 "2008-07-03T01:20:17Z")
[QUOTE=Vlad/Igor] … but I also find fault with myself and other scientists for not making an effort to truly educate. [/QUOTE] True, but all too often not enough thanks is given to scientists who do try to educate. Sometimes there can be a lot of vitriol directed at scientists who work as popularizers of science - Carl Sagan and Stephen Jay Gould come to mind. Time for more props to **jshore** , who I greatly admire for his patience and willingness to delve into these issues and work to explain them. I’ve learned a lot from his posts and appreciate the time and effort involved! 🙂 Time to sing a few hymms, huh, **Weirddave**? But to be serious - I think the point is that **jshore** ’s not preaching to the choir, but trying to explain a complex subject in a way that every reader can understand it. Preachers (IME) don’t necessarily care if you understand them as long as you get fired up. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2008, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/46 "2008-07-03T15:10:57Z")
[QUOTE=Lobohan] But yeah a tip of the hat to Jshore who has saintly patience. [/QUOTE] Another echo. The tireless efforts are noticed and appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2008, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/47 "2008-07-03T17:38:20Z")
[QUOTE=Sage Rat] I’d just like to also complement **jshore**. I participate occasionally even though I know that I know significantly less and am more likely to get caught off my feet and have to go scouting for information and do some hard thinking, but I _hope_ that having someone in there a little less technical occasionally helps the lurking readers… Perhaps I just hinder things of course… :o [/QUOTE] I second what **Lobohan** says. I like your contributions and I think it is useful to have perspectives from other people responding to **brazil84**. I feel like I get stuck in a rut sometimes in how to respond and it is nice to have others bring new points to the table. But, to you and the others who have complemented me, I very much appreciate it! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2008, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/48 "2008-07-03T19:24:27Z")
I just don’t understand why **tomndebb** doesn’t [warn the fucker](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9965138&postcount=138) already. That’s, like, the second parenthetical remark like that in a few days, but no warnings. I’m not asking that the little shit be banned, far from it - but rein him in somewhat, yeah, Mods?. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/49 "2008-10-31T05:55:23Z")
Watch out… he has a [blog](http://brazil84.wordpress.com/my-rules-of-debate/). It’s so cute when stupid people are pompous. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/50 "2008-10-31T06:03:42Z")
Er - what the hell is at the bottom of [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10371988&postcount=143)? Is that an attempt at a trick question?? ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/51 "2008-10-31T06:11:55Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Watch out… he has a [blog](http://brazil84.wordpress.com/my-rules-of-debate/). > > It’s so cute when stupid people are pompous. I’m going with “shill,” myself. (Not that being a shill for the folks who disbelieve in global warming _isn’t_ stupid, mind you.) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/52 "2008-10-31T16:58:59Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > I’m going with “shill,” myself. (Not that being a shill for the folks who disbelieve in global warming _isn’t_ stupid, mind you.) Careful. He may ban you. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/53 "2008-10-31T18:02:22Z")
[QUOTE=\*\*\*\*\* \*\*\*\*\*\*] [/QUOTE] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/54 "2008-10-31T18:16:27Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Watch out… he has a [blog](http://brazil84.wordpress.com/my-rules-of-debate/). > > It’s so cute when stupid people are pompous. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! OMG, I’m wiping tears and my stomach hurts–wow, that is about the most sillyass thing I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been on teh intarnets a looong time. Okay, so whenever he gets his stupid ass handed to him _here_ he banninates the person who did the ass-handing _there?_ I did get that right, right? Wow, this is the internet equivalent of running away from a fight, getting into your car, locking the doors, then slamming the steering wheel hollering, “Take that, mother_FUCKER!_” :D:smack::rolleyes::eek::D:confused: ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/55 "2008-10-31T18:25:36Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Careful. He may ban you. That joker sure has a shit load of rules. Looks like if you say something he doen’t like, ANNNNNKK! Ban stick. That’s one way to win a debate. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/56 "2008-10-31T20:04:29Z")
Similarly effective: ‘crushing your head’ between his thumb and forefinger. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/57 "2008-10-31T20:41:44Z")
Sounds like Rain Man … On October 14, 1987 suffered harm, was strawmanned. Definitely strawmanned. July 24, 1989, intermperate language, definitely intemperate, definitely. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/58 "2008-10-31T21:33:49Z")
Nor is **brazil84’s** stubborn moronicity limited to the climate-change issue. He also defends “scientific racism.” See [this thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=487047) ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Lance_Murdoch)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779/59 "2008-11-01T04:34:08Z")
I see his name, I don’t click the thread. Same with Intention. Life is too short to waste. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-is-a-fucking-moron/440779.md?page=2)