# brazil84: preening, sexist, self-imortant, gynophobic douche **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046 "2011-08-25T15:57:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/241 "2011-08-27T05:58:48Z")
Money and sex? Food and sleep? That’s. . . not really gender specific. It answers what _people_ what but in such a general way as to be functionally useless. Much like the source of these responses. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/242 "2011-08-27T06:18:13Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Earlier, you were correct in stating that you were not \*\*Boss strain. \*\* > If you had to be right about just one thing, that was a good one. You should be thankful. Well, I was mocking **Omg** there. But you’re absolutely right. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/243 "2011-08-27T15:12:31Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It wouldn’t matter if I’d never met one in my life; what matters is that American conservatism is heavily dominated by white racists. Regardless of their other political opinions, it’s foolish to support your implacable enemies like that. Considering how many African-Americans identify themselves as conservatives(which is not the same as Relublican) that is an utterly moronic statement. I know you’re pissed off that the ignorant darkies don’t listen to smart white folks like yourself tell them what’s best for them, but everyone else just thinks you’re a complete moron and, in your own way, quite racist. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/244 "2011-08-27T15:52:55Z")
I would like to participate more in this thread, but my husband told me not to post in it any more. Sorry, guys - he _does_ have the penis. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/245 "2011-08-27T19:05:07Z")
> [@](#): > > Sorry, guys - he _does_ have the penis. Then grab it, and you’ll have his complete and utter attention. Don’t you know that old saying “and their hearts and minds will follow”? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/246 "2011-08-27T19:13:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by OMGABC … > > Simple experience gives credence to this assertion. Few women want a guy who’s not really assertive, not all that decisive and doesn’t like to take charge of his situation. Generally, those are the kind of guys chicks rolls their eyes towards There is a BIG fucking difference between being assertive and capable and saying that all women want to be led. My Wife want’s me to be assertive. I want her to be assertive. You know, like adults that are able to make up their own minds. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/247 "2011-08-27T20:24:16Z")
Can we at least agree that _somebody_ needs to be assertive in choosing a restaurant? “Where do you wanna go?” “I dunno, where do you wanna go?” “I dunno . . .” … ---
**Author:** ![OneMissedPost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8e7dd6/32.png) [@OneMissedPost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneMissedPost)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/248 "2011-08-27T20:31:21Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Can we at least agree that _somebody_ needs to be assertive in choosing a restaurant? > > “Where do you wanna go?” > > “I dunno, where do you wanna go?” > > “I dunno . . .” > > … HAHA! 😃 Sounds like the everlasting conversation. Yes, I agree that someone at least needs to be assertive. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/249 "2011-08-27T20:34:47Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Considering how many African-Americans identify themselves as conservatives(which is not the same as Relublican) that is an utterly moronic statement. > > I know you’re pissed off that the ignorant darkies don’t listen to smart white folks like yourself tell them what’s best for them, but everyone else just thinks you’re a complete moron and, in your own way, quite racist. Cite please. > **[Black conservatism in the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_conservatism_in_the_United_States)** > > In the United States, black conservatism is a political and social movement rooted in African-American communities that aligns largely with the American conservative movement, including the Christian right. Black conservatism emphasizes social conservatism, traditionalism, patriotism, capitalism, and free markets. What characterizes a 'black conservative' has changed over time, and proponents do not necessarily share the same political philosophy. > Influential black Republicans in the early 21st... And there is a HUGE difference between identifying with a label and how people respond to issues associated with said label. ---
**Author:** ![Waxwinged](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@Waxwinged](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waxwinged)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/250 "2011-08-27T21:04:27Z")
Diogenes the Cynic? Thank you for pitting that bastard. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/251 "2011-08-27T23:02:28Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Not trying to be sly or even trying for a gotcha. Just reading the words on the page. > > The words **brazil84** used are different from your interpretation. They do not literally say what you claim they do. That’s not a gotcha. That’s just reading the friggin’ words as written on the page, which you somehow choose to read differently than everybody else. > > If you want to use your own interpretation of words, go ahead. But don’t expect your quite frankly odd reading to sound reasonable to anybody else. First you claimed I said something I simply did not say. Now you’re backtracking to something else entirely, which I’ll entertain. Absolutely **nowhere** did Brazil ever state that most women wanted to be dominated by men. You _completely_ made that up entirely and it is nothing more than your extremely liberal interpretation of what was actually written. Perhaps you should go back and read the thread in question, as you’d see none of Brazil’s comments come even close to those things being attributed to him. > [@](#): > > Maybe the rest of the board is crazy and lacks reading comprehension. Or maybe it’s just you. There’s been an observation made by some of the conservative leaning posters on this board that the liberal-leaning posters generally like to take what said conservative-leaning posters write out, warp it into some caricature of what was actually written, and then proceed to knock down that caricature or insult the said conservative-leaning poster for a position they don’t hold. I, myself, have noticed this to be quite true. …Of course, we’re all probably crazy 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/252 "2011-08-27T23:08:40Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Can we at least agree that _somebody_ needs to be assertive in choosing a restaurant? > > “Where do you wanna go?” > > “I dunno, where do you wanna go?” > > “I dunno . . .” > > … Barbecue? Pizza? Chinese? Mexican? Once I learned to state a preference, but not insist on it, I found that I was much happier. I mean, if I’m leaning to Chinese, but my husband wants barbecue, hey, I can get Chinese next time. Usually, though, he’ll be OK with whatever I suggest, unless he’s really in the mood for something in particular. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/253 "2011-08-27T23:38:55Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But he is suggesting that all women want to be subordinate to men, even those who claim otherwise. Where? All I can see is that he writes “a lot” Which is of course entirely true. It is hard to find an issue a lot of any large group of people is not into. Including that a lot girls appreciate a man who insists on taking his traditional role. Is there actually anyone disputing this? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/254 "2011-08-27T23:51:35Z")
Can we agree on one thing? Women don’t want to be ‘led’. They don’t want to be led any more than the slaves that still exist want to be led. Those men that want to subjugate women or any person are no better than an owner of slaves. There are thousands of women on this board. If any 1. 1 . any one. 1. Any. One. If there are there any women on this board that likes to be led, bullied and pushed around by their husband, please speak up. We will try to help. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/255 "2011-08-28T02:35:18Z")
What he actually said was that “…most girls prefer to be led, although many will not admit it and are not even aware of it themselves.” There is no way that he could have access to the minds of most “girls.” In truth, he can’t access the mind of even one woman. The claim that he has some grasp on the minds of most women is just one example of how irrational he is to begin with. But he is silly enough to go further. He claims that most women feel this way **although they won’t admit it.**. So no matter what women _say_, he is the authority on what they want. And then the clincher: Women may _feel_ that they want one thing, but they really aren’t aware of what they really want! But he is! Even though he doesn’t know them personally! This toad should have the retrospective that I do. If he only knew the comments that women make about guys like him. Like a lot of girls born before the end of World War II, I was brought up to expect to live out the traditional roles of women. I didn’t have my eyes opened to the inequities until I was in my late twenties. Once I knew, I had to become responsible for reparenting myself. In many, many ways I take on traditional roles. None of those mean that I am subordinate. Nor is my husband subordinate to me. > [@](#): > > **Annie Xmas** : That fact that **brazil** constantly uses the word “girls” tells you everything you need to know about his ideas regarding females. I’ve been dissatisfied with my attorney for a while now. The last straw came a couple of weeks ago when in a letter to me he referred to the women who work in his office as “the girls.” How unprofessional can you get? I no longer require his services. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/256 "2011-08-28T03:44:41Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Where? All I can see is that he writes “a lot” Which is of course entirely true. It is hard to find an issue a lot of any large group of people is not into. Including that a lot girls appreciate a man who insists on taking his traditional role. Is there actually anyone disputing this? He actually said “most”. Since there are around 3 **b** illion women and girls on the planet then even a tiny percentage could still be “a lot” of people, but a claim about what “most girls prefer” is a claim about \>50% of the female population. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/257 "2011-08-28T04:41:16Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > There’s been an observation made by some of the conservative leaning posters on this board that the liberal-leaning posters generally like to take what said conservative-leaning posters write out, warp it into some caricature of what was actually written, and then proceed to knock down that caricature or insult the said conservative-leaning poster for a position they don’t hold. I, myself, have noticed this to be quite true. > > …Of course, we’re all probably crazy 😉 Dude, how would you feel if someone said “most blacks prefer to be led, although many will not admit it and are not even aware of it themselves”? Because I’m pretty sure a bunch of asshats used to think that, or at least pretend to. Those kind of statements, about any group, are ridiculous nonsense and incredibly prejudiced. How someone could fail to see that is amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/258 "2011-08-28T04:53:06Z")
Just wanted to add that I’m aware that the current actions in regard to one prejudice are _much_ less severe / impactful than that of previous actions in regard to another. But that’s mostly irrelevant as the it’s the mentality which is being pitted here, which is the same. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/259 "2011-08-28T05:46:58Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > There’s been an observation made by some of the conservative leaning posters on this board that the liberal-leaning posters generally like to take what said conservative-leaning posters write out, warp it into some caricature of what was actually written, and then proceed to knock down that caricature or insult the said conservative-leaning poster for a position they don’t hold. I, myself, have noticed this to be quite true. Remove Conservative and Liberal, and that’s pretty true. Of course that would mean departing yourself with your bias, and as for a carefully grown beer belly, the thought of life without one can be a horrifying prospect to some. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/260 "2011-08-28T11:07:25Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > What he actually said was that “…most girls prefer to be led, although many will not admit it and are not even aware of it themselves.” > > There is no way that he could have access to the minds of most “girls.” In truth, he can’t access the mind of even one woman. The claim that he has some grasp on the minds of most women is just one example of how irrational he is to begin with. > > But he is silly enough to go further. He claims that most women feel this way **although they won’t admit it.**. So no matter what women _say_, he is the authority on what they want. And then the clincher: Women may _feel_ that they want one thing, but they really aren’t aware of what they really want! But he is! Even though he doesn’t know them personally! This is precicely the point I came into this thread to make. While it is true that people tend to not know themselves exacty what they actually want, there is no way **brazil84** could have determined what women actually want. For all I know, brazil94’s wife is 100% happy with what’s going on. Unlike in the thread that spawned this one, we have no evidence that his wife is unhappy. His statements about his marriage are not enough to pit him. But his statement that women want to be led, and that he’ll continue to believe this even if they say otherwise, is definitely the sign of a misogynist. That said, taking his apparent misogyny and combining it with the fact that he couldn’t tell from the original thread’s OP that the woman was unhappy (at least as stated), and it does lead me to wonder if his wife is as happy with the relationship as he thinks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046.md?page=14)