# brazil84: preening, sexist, self-imortant, gynophobic douche **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046 "2011-08-25T15:57:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/61 "2011-08-25T18:20:38Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > They aren’t. They are, however, great believers in their own superiority over the other members of this board: a curious prison without walls, filled with grotesque creatures they loathe, from which they are inexplicably powerless to escape. I dont know about Bricker, but that’s classic Randian behavior. It definitely comforts them in their thoughts that they must be extraordinary since they dont think like the masses. To the point where it’s all about taking a position most people would find appalling just for the sake of feeling elite and mediocre-free. You know, like when you were 12. ---
**Author:** ![Vihaga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Vihaga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vihaga)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/62 "2011-08-25T18:27:29Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Every adult is a creature of their upbringing and experiences, to an extent. Part of being an adult is taking responsibility for that - whether the upbringing was religious or not. Saying that religious people aren’t responsible as adults for what they want strikes me as being somewhat paternalistic. I like to think of it as a skeeve continuum. A girl getting married at 18 to someone her parents approve of because she doesn’t really know any better is a different situation than someone choosing a specific lifestyle at 25, when her brain is fully developed, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/63 "2011-08-25T18:30:16Z")
> [@Vihaga](#): > > I like to think of it as a skeeve continuum. A girl getting married at 18 to someone her parents approve of because she doesn’t really know any better is a different situation than someone choosing a specific lifestyle at 25, when her brain is fully developed, at least. What about a girl of 18 choosing a specific lifestyle versus someone at 25 being married in some traditional religious manner? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/64 "2011-08-25T18:37:37Z")
Surrendering one’s own autonomy and rights is not a rational decision for anybody. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/65 "2011-08-25T18:37:39Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Bricker nailed it. Dio etc are totally OK with any alternative lifestyle . . . unless Jesus is involved, and then it’s all terrible and horrible. This is complete and total horseshit. I’ve repeatedly noticed **Dio** having major negative things to say about BDSM lifestyles, for example. It’s an issue I think he has a major blindspot on. So really, you are just making this up. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/66 "2011-08-25T18:38:44Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > I dont know about Bricker, but that’s classic Randian behavior. For the record, my comment was referring to **Rand Rover** and **Shodan** specifically, and not **Bricker**. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/67 "2011-08-25T19:26:22Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > [Quote=billfish678] > You ever tried living with Jesus? It aint that easy. But the man does put up a mean bookshelf. And free wine! [/QUOTE] But just try taking a shower. Dude also always leaves dirty footprints on the swimming pool. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Bosstrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstrain)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/68 "2011-08-25T19:26:27Z")
**Brazil84** is actually merely reflecting something that’s been bred in for thousands of years, and it’s not actually entirely wrong either, though a bit twisted. Imagine a world without the current level of technology…just think a moment (I realize thinking isn’t a strong suite for members of the SDMB, but just try it). Now, the world is totally lawless, men rule, not because they’re intelligent, but because of raw power, overwhelming strength in comparison to even the toughest women. A woman can try all day long to break my arm, I’d even capitulate and let her try without resisting, and sure, she’d even eventually break something after a while. All it would take for me to break a womans arm is grabbing it, the bones would snap like toothpicks, there would be severe internal bleeding and most likely it would never heal completely. I’m merely trying to paint a picture of the differences between males and females, I am not in any way saying one is better than the other, just stating facts is all. A woman who was highly trained and physically strong, a true athlete, would _only_ have become my equal in combat, I’m naturally strong and hardly work out to maintain my strength, I was born with it, got Viking blood in my vains. I could only imagine what sort of monster I would become if I actually worked out, I would most likely become ugly and repulsive in appearance. Now, flash back a thousand years or so, in an era without guns or anything to level the playing field. If you were weak and pathetic, someone like me would rip through you like paper. Now imagine who a female is going to mate with…I rest my case. In a land where theives, murderers and rapists roam free and unhindered, you’d want to be shacked up with the biggest, meanest badass you can find. Plus there was actually hard work to do back then, very hard work. Most people that do hard work today, they wouldn’t be able to even handle the work you’d have to do _back_ in the day. I wouldn’t be so hard on **Brazil84** , there’s a very good reason he feels the way he does, it’s genetic. Trust me, there are plenty of men that are forced to control themselves on a daily basis. Most people I meet I have to be kind to, but the whole time I’m putting on a fake smile towards someone who’s got a severe case of the short man’s complex and is being a total ass, I’m thinking: “Wow, you would not be saying this shit to me little man if we went back several hundred years to when it would be totally legal for me to tear you in half!”. For that I think I’m still the bigger man, I’ve put up with some pip squeak telling me what for, while holding myself back from shredding him to bits. Give me enough time, and I can actually remove a mans arm from his body, like freakin’ Chewbacca. Big guys like me aren’t so violent these days, mainly 'cause we know that the police will always hold us accountable for the fight. I’ve even seen a gentleman be put in custody while his wife was beating him with a club of some sort. The guy even crawled underneath a table to escape the onslaught, but the cops didn’t arrest the crazy bitch, they arrested him :smack:. Okay…stepping off the soap box now…whew! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/69 "2011-08-25T19:27:30Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Surrendering one’s own autonomy and rights is not a rational decision for anybody. While I’m on your side in this thread, **Dio** , that’s not the best tact to take. After all, every member of a society does that to some degree. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/70 "2011-08-25T19:28:43Z")
> [@Bosstrain](#): > > Big guys like me aren’t so violent these days, mainly 'cause we know that the police will always hold us accountable for the fight. Also because you’ve got road rage to channel your energies into? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/71 "2011-08-25T19:29:10Z")
> [@](#): > > it’s genetic. Is it? Cool. Which gene, or set of genes? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/72 "2011-08-25T19:37:01Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Bricker nailed it. Dio etc are totally OK with any alternative lifestyle . . . unless Jesus is involved, and then it’s all terrible and horrible. Apparently this is my day to defend **Diogenes**. Nope, can’t agree with you. While there are posters on this board to whom your summary does aptly apply, **Diogenes** is not in their number. He has inveighed more than once against D/s type lifestyles and scenes. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/73 "2011-08-25T19:38:13Z")
> [@Bosstrain](#): > > Big guys like me aren’t so violent these days, mainly 'cause we know that the police will always hold us accountable for the fight. Good to know it’s not 'cause you’re actually a decent human being who possesses empathy. Also, it’s “strong _suit_”, not strong _suite_. I probably wouldn’t have pointed it out except you were using the term to disparage the intelligence of others on the board. You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Soliloquy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@Soliloquy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soliloquy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/74 "2011-08-25T19:40:48Z")
Boss has Viking blood in his “vains”… Yes. Very, very vain. I’ve won more than one physical fight, sans weaponry, against males who outsized me. I’m just gonna stop there. Seriously not worth arguing… All of his 24 years of wisdom (not to bash those as young or younger who actually DO display wisdom) might crush me. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/75 "2011-08-25T19:41:20Z")
Just want to get it on the record that **Bosstrain** \<\> **Bosstone**. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/76 "2011-08-25T19:42:32Z")
What I love about \*\*Rand’s \*\*take on the matter is that in the original thread he warned everybody that we couldn’t possibly know how that woman really felt, despite the plethora of details about the situation, and therefore no commentary is valid. And yet, he can peg all us liberal dopers as a whole, just like that. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/77 "2011-08-25T19:42:55Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Just want to get it on the record that **Bosstrain** \<\> **Bosstone**. Be careful. Do you _want_ to get ripped to pieces? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/78 "2011-08-25T19:43:56Z")
> [@Vihaga](#): > > The problem with religious-based lifestyle choices is that it’s really hard to tell where choice ends and coercion begins. If you raise a kid to think that it’s going to suffer for eternity if it doesn’t live a certain way, and it’s the kid’s fault if that lifestyle doesn’t work out well for them, it’s hard to say it’s a free choice. If you also condition them throughout their childhood to fit into the roles you’ve chosen for them without exposing them to or acknowledging other lifestyles other than to say they’re “sinful,” there’s a somewhat coercive element. If, further, when the kid is older you tell them in no uncertain terms that they’ll be ostracized and essentially lose their family if they choose differently, it starts to look less like choice and more like coercion. This is especially true when joining said lifestyle starts young (especially for women) and precludes them getting an education that gives them other options. > Choosing a D/S relationship later in life as a fully formed adult when you haven’t been raised to think that it’s the only option is a horse of a rather different color. Accepting your analysis as true for this argument, it’s worth pointing what you said (“…it’s really hard to tell…”) and what you didn’t say (“…therefore, religiously based lifestyle choices like these should be condemned and/or forbidden.”) When you have an adult entering into a relationship of any kind, I think our notions of freedom and self-governance demand that we take a person at their word that they are acting of their own will. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/79 "2011-08-25T19:43:57Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Be careful. Do you _want_ to get ripped to pieces? That’s exactly why I’m saying that. I don’t want **Soliloquy** to go after the wrong guy. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046/80 "2011-08-25T19:45:13Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Just want to get it on the record that **Bosstrain** \<\> **Bosstone**. Heh, good thinking. The first time I read [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=621061), I thought you’d gone crazy. Had to go back before I realized it was an entirely different poster. > [@Bosstone](#): > > That’s exactly why I’m saying that. I don’t want **Soliloquy** to go after the wrong guy. But if you’re too uppity, **Bosstrain** may rip you to pieces. Like a piece of paper! :eek: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84-preening-sexist-self-imortant-gynophobic-douche/594046.md?page=5)