# brazil84's Global Warming Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 12, 2007, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693 "2007-12-12T02:16:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![aptronym](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@aptronym](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aptronym)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/341 "2008-03-20T01:44:38Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] No, it’s not fair to say that. [/quote] What is fair to say, then? Scientists have given a very definite answer - one which is spelled out as clearly as it can be. (a) Do you know what they have to say? (b) If not, do you accept what they have to say? You have already admitted the answer to (a) is no. So, either it’s fair to say that you don’t know but you’re willing to accept what they have to say, or you don’t know but you’re rejecting their findings anyway. This is a simple yes or no question. > [@brazil84](#): > > What details are missing? Let me put my answer in the proper context. > [@brazil84](#): > > > [@aptronym](#): > > > > > [@brazil84](#): > > > > > > > [@aptronym](#): > > > > > > > > > [@brazil84](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@aptronym](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@brazil84](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do I have the pro-AGW position correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > Part of it, yes. > > > > > > > > > > What details are missing? > > > > > > > > What are some (alleged) negative effects, and at what temperatures do these effects show up? > > > > > > What details are missing? > > > > What are some (alleged) negative effects, and at what temperatures do these effects show up? > > What details are missing? Edit: Forgot my actual response! What are some (alleged) negative effects, and at what temperatures do these effects show up? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/342 "2008-03-20T01:56:47Z")
[QUOTE=aptronym] (b) If not, do you accept what they have to say? [/quote] Lol. Depends on what they say. > [@aptronym](#): > > Part of it, yes. What details are missing? ---
**Author:** ![aptronym](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@aptronym](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aptronym)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/343 "2008-03-20T02:06:24Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Depends on what they say. [/quote] So you have no idea what scientists have to say, but you will disagree if they don’t agree with you? > [@brazil84](#): > > > [@aptronym](#): > > > > > [@brazil84](#): > > > > > > > [@aptronym](#): > > > > > > > > > [@brazil84](#): > > > > > > > > > > > [@aptronym](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@brazil84](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@aptronym](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [@brazil84](#): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do I have the pro-AGW position correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Part of it, yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What details are missing? > > > > > > > > > > > > What are some (alleged) negative effects, and at what temperatures do these effects show up? > > > > > > > > > > What details are missing? > > > > > > > > What are some (alleged) negative effects, and at what temperatures do these effects show up? > > > > > > What details are missing? > > > > What are some (alleged) negative effects, and at what temperatures do these effects show up? > > What details are missing? Are you trying to look like an idiot, or are you just trying to hold off in hopes that I’ll forget about the queued questions? What are some (alleged) negative effects, and at what temperatures do these effects show up? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/344 "2008-03-20T02:20:19Z")
[QUOTE=aptronym] you will disagree if they don’t agree with you? [/quote] Not necessarily. > [@](#): > > Are you trying to look like an idiot, or are you just trying to hold off in hopes that I’ll forget about the queued questions? Per **tomndebb** ’s message, I will not respond to your games. If you refuse to describe your theory but won’t concede that my characterization is accurate, I will draw my own conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![aptronym](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@aptronym](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aptronym)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/345 "2008-03-20T03:06:14Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Per **tomndebb** ’s message, I will not respond to your games. Per whose message are you not responding to the question? I’ve specifically asked you 4 times, 3 times in direct response to you, for the missing information. Note: you still have not yet responded. What are some (alleged) negative effects, and at what temperatures do these effects show up? [QUOTE=brazil84] Not necessarily. [/quote] Okay. So your answer to (2b) is that you don’t know what science says, but you don’t have an opinion either. Is that correct? > [@brazil84](#): > > If you refuse to describe your theory but won’t concede that my characterization is accurate, I will draw my own conclusions. “My” theory is described in post #1. You have to understand that any attempt to make it seem like I have been evading the questions is undermined by the fact that there is a 1,551 word post which was requested by you and addressed specifically to you which answers in detail each of the 5 questions I posed. As a matter of fact, pending confirmation of your answer in (2b) and an actual response for (3), I intend to begin by quoting my first post to demonstrate that not only are you scientifically illiterate, but that you are that way by _choice_ - the information is available to you, but you _choose_ not to read it. Edit: Prolonging the thread by continuing to evade the yes or no questions posed to you will only delay, not stave off, my response. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2008, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/346 "2008-03-20T06:33:38Z")
Per **tomndebb** ’s post, I will not respond to your evasions, strawmen, and other games. If you feel like discussing substance, feel free. ---
**Author:** ![aptronym](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@aptronym](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aptronym)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/347 "2008-03-21T00:15:23Z")
What are some (alleged) negative effects, and at what temperatures do these effects show up? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/348 "2008-03-21T00:48:55Z")
[QUOTE=aptronym] What are some (alleged) negative effects, and at what temperatures do these effects show up? [/QUOTE] Sorry, but this is not a job interview. If you refuse to answer my questions, I will not answer yours. ---
**Author:** ![Tyrrell\_McAllister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tyrrell_mcallister/32/16772_2.png) [@Tyrrell\_McAllister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tyrrell_McAllister)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/349 "2008-03-21T01:17:06Z")
**brazil84** , you seem to be missing the thread of discussion. To recap: You gave your account of AGW theory: “It’s my understanding that, according to people on your side of the debate, some large percentage of scientists is predicting with a high degree of confidence that if CO2 emissions continue unabated, there will be substantial negative effects on human well being in terms of climate change by the end of this century.” You then asked **aptronym** to tell you “what details are missing” from this account. What you don’t seem to realize is that he has answered you, and his answer is this: Your account does not specify the (alleged) negative effects, and it does not specify the temperature at which these effects show up. Those are the details missing from your account. Your question has been answered. ---
**Author:** ![aptronym](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@aptronym](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aptronym)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/350 "2008-03-21T01:25:40Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Sorry, but this is not a job interview. If you refuse to answer my questions, I will not answer yours. [/QUOTE] What if I answered your questions 347 posts ago, but you have not read them? Does that count as refusing to answer your questions? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/351 "2008-03-21T02:06:12Z")
[QUOTE=Tyrrell McAllister] You then asked **aptronym** to tell you “what details are missing” from this account. What you don’t seem to realize is that he has answered you, and his answer is this: Your account does not specify the (alleged) negative effects, and it does not specify the temperature at which these effects show up. Those are the details missing from your account. Your question has been answered. [/QUOTE] Are you saying that catastrophic AGW theory predicts a certain, minimum level of temperature increase? If so, please tell me what that number is. Also, please tell me what negative effects are missing from my account. > [@aptronym](#): > > What if I answered your questions per **tomndebb** ’s post, I will not respond to your games and evasions. ---
**Author:** ![aptronym](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@aptronym](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aptronym)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/352 "2008-03-21T02:32:00Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Are you saying that catastrophic AGW theory predicts a certain, minimum level of temperature increase? [/quote] No, if he’s read the IPCC report, he’s pointing out there’s a chart which lists all the possible consequences (negative and positive) and the temperature ranges where they show up. This is also the same chart that is referenced in post #1 of this thread. > [@brazil84](#): > > per **tomndebb** ’s post, I will not respond to your games and evasions. A very convinient excuse for you not to answer questions asked of you from post #1. It would seem strange that the person who refuses to answer questions asked for 348 posts would be the one accusing the question asker of playing games and evasion. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/353 "2008-03-21T02:37:40Z")
[QUOTE=aptronym] one accusing the question asker of playing games and evasion. [/QUOTE] Per **tomndebb** ’s post, I will not respond to your games and evasions. > [@aptronym](#): > > I’ve been dodging and weaving intentionally Your choice. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693/354 "2008-03-21T03:01:20Z")
**brazil84** , the only evasions and 99% of the games have been yours. Since you do not appear to be interested in an honest debate and the question was directed to you, this thread is pointless. Closed. [/Moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brazil84s-global-warming-thread/429693.md?page=17)