# Breaking Bad 4.05 "Shotgun" 8/14 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 14, 2011, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703 "2011-08-14T18:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/61 "2011-08-16T22:09:09Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > I didn’t even think about Aliens. And I’m pretty sure that was his first-ever spoken line of the series. Reminds me of the cholo brothers who didn’t have a word of dialogue until some 4-5 episodes in (though this new guy isn’t nearly as cool). He told Walt to “go home,” when Walt had driven to Gus’ house. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/62 "2011-08-16T22:23:06Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > He told Walt to “go home,” when Walt had driven to Gus’ house. I believe (don’t know for a fact) that was Mike telling Walt to go home. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/63 "2011-08-16T22:28:16Z")
What a great show this is. Loved this episode. I hope the go out on a high note. Saw Cranston on Bill Maher a few weeks ago. I wouldn’t have recognized him-- his appearance and personalty are so non-Walt it’s amazing. He’s truly a great actor. The guy who plays Jesse, too. Just top notch. ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/64 "2011-08-16T22:37:57Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > I believe (don’t know for a fact) that was Mike telling Walt to go home. [According to Vince Gilligan, it was New Victor.](http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/breaking-bad-thirty-eight-snub-death-by-stereo) This was a topic of discussion in the “Thirty-Eight Snub” thread, where a lot of people were claiming it was Mike. It sounded nothing like Mike to me, and I think if you compare Mike’s “phone voice” in this episode to what we heard in “Thirty-Eight Snub,” you’ll hear a major difference between the two. I think Walt was similarly confused, since up until that point he probably hadn’t heard New Victor’s voice until that episode. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/65 "2011-08-16T22:41:45Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > I believe (don’t know for a fact) that was Mike telling Walt to go home. The show’s creator stated last week that is was New Victor’s voice. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/66 "2011-08-16T22:46:06Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > [According to Vince Gilligan, it was New Victor.](http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/breaking-bad-thirty-eight-snub-death-by-stereo) This was a topic of discussion in the “Thirty-Eight Snub” thread, where a lot of people were claiming it was Mike. It sounded nothing like Mike to me, and I think if you compare Mike’s “phone voice” in this episode to what we heard in “Thirty-Eight Snub,” you’ll hear a major difference between the two. > > I think Walt was similarly confused, since up until that point he probably hadn’t heard New Victor’s voice until that episode. Thanks for helping get that clarified. Excellent link, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/67 "2011-08-16T23:00:01Z")
Gus’s plan with Jesse is brilliant. Not only does it get him off the brink of suicide, not only does it get Walt back in the lab, but it also gets Jesse on Team Gus. Jesse’s been calling out for a mentor this whole series, and has been constantly rebuked by Walt. Mike would be one of the most badass mentors ever, and if it means shifting allegiance to Gus a little bit, I don’t see Jesse having a problem with that. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/68 "2011-08-16T23:04:02Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Gus’s plan with Jesse is brilliant. Not only does it get him off the brink of suicide, not only does it get Walt back in the lab, but it also gets Jesse on Team Gus. Jesse’s been calling out for a mentor this whole series, and has been constantly rebuked by Walt. Mike would be one of the most badass mentors ever, and if it means shifting allegiance to Gus a little bit, I don’t see Jesse having a problem with that. I’m surprised nobody’s getting that when I discuss it with them. I see it as Gus grooming Jesse to be the new Gale, and Jesse betraying Walt when the time comes as the final act of loyalty to Gus. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/69 "2011-08-16T23:10:54Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > I thought the Salamanca brothers never said one word the entire time. I don’t remember any other times, but they had lines in Spanish during the assassination scene. First one was by the twin caught by the cars, he said “Finish him.” The other was going to finish Hank off with another bullet but said “No. Too easy,” and went to get the ax. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/70 "2011-08-17T00:15:27Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > I thought the Salamanca brothers never said one word the entire time. They spoke quite a bit towards the end, but in Spanish. I don’t recall whether they had any _English_ lines, but they definitely spoke. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/71 "2011-08-17T00:23:05Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Maybe he’ll do a reverse Walt and Break Good. Turn against Gus and try and right some of his past wrongs. I had the same thought. Either way, the tension is about to tear a hole in the space-time continuum. Something’s gonna give. Also, it simply must be addressed, whether this season or next (preferably this season): Hank needs to finally put 2+2 together. What’s he going to do? ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/72 "2011-08-17T00:28:30Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > I’m surprised nobody’s getting that when I discuss it with them. I see it as Gus grooming Jesse to be the new Gale, and Jesse betraying Walt when the time comes as the final act of loyalty to Gus. Oh, in the [“Inside Breaking Bad” video](http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/inside-breaking-bad-shotgun) for this episode Giancarlo Esposito makes it quite clear that Gus is grooming Jesse and strongly hints that he wants to turn him against Walt. His interview starts around 3:20. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/73 "2011-08-17T00:45:19Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Oh, in the [“Inside Breaking Bad” video](http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/inside-breaking-bad-shotgun) for this episode Giancarlo Esposito makes it quite clear that Gus is grooming Jesse and strongly hints that he wants to turn him against Walt. His interview starts around 3:20. Great link - thanks for that. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/74 "2011-08-17T00:48:51Z")
Also as an addendum to my previous post (past the editing window): I posted about Jesse’s character arc a couple episodes ago and how I suspect his redeeming moment as a heroic figure is yet to come. These events are a perfect lead-in for Gus getting Jesse fired up and on the brink of betraying Walt, but at the last moment he realizes he just can’t bring himself to do it (and possibly) kills Gus instead. Or Hank kills Gus. But either way, Jesse has been groomed by the writers/producers to be a heavily-flawed but ultimately sympathetic character far too carefully to have him suddenly go full villain on us. That much I’m willing to bet on. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/75 "2011-08-17T02:26:43Z")
So…my DVR cut out just when Hank was looking through the case file at the kitchen table. He said something like, “Huh, that’s interesting…”, then I got the freeze-frame. I gather (from this thread) there was some writing on a menu? Anything else I need to know? Also, my favorite moment was the look on Walt Jr.'s face when he realized Mom & Dad were doing the nasty. Then he does a quick U-turn on his crutches in disgust. mmm ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/76 "2011-08-17T02:31:59Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > I’m surprised nobody’s getting that when I discuss it with them. I see it as Gus grooming Jesse to be the new Gale, and Jesse betraying Walt when the time comes as the final act of loyalty to Gus. I do not see Jesse becoming the new Gale - he simply doesn’t have the mind or education for it. But he does have the mind and experience to be Gus’s main man. But more immediately important, Jesse has the capability of completely reversing the leverage that Walt has on Gus and turning it around on Walt. And to think - Walt could have avoided all that by just going go-karting with him! ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/77 "2011-08-17T02:35:44Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > So…my DVR cut out just when Hank was looking through the case file at the kitchen table. He said something like, “Huh, that’s interesting…”, then I got the freeze-frame. > > I gather (from this thread) there was some writing on a menu? Anything else I need to know? Hank: Hmmm… Marie: You find something? Hank: Just this guy I’m looking at. You know, everything he buys and eats is organic, fair-trade, vegan… \ Hank: Since when do vegans eat fried chicken? \ ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/78 "2011-08-17T09:49:24Z")
I hope that eventually they will overthrow the chicken man, and start trying to build their own empire again. That was my favorite part. ---
**Author:** ![ekweizn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7c8e57/32.png) [@ekweizn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekweizn)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/79 "2011-08-17T10:43:59Z")
> [@mr.jp](#): > > I hope that eventually they will overthrow the chicken man, and start trying to build their own empire again. That was my favorite part. Might the car wash be a decent cover for Jesse and Walt’s own superlab? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703/80 "2011-08-17T11:46:12Z")
> [@ekweizn](#): > > Might the car wash be a decent cover for Jesse and Walt’s own superlab? I’ve always wondered (seriously, since the first time Walt worked there, and this wasn’t even a thought) why a car wash needed to be [four stories](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uM9PrU7_5OY/TF9cJR9EqLI/AAAAAAAAKNM/Xa-ojnwjqwA/s1600/SDC19273f.JPG) high. Can you imagines all the humidity problems you’d have in such a large structure. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-05-shotgun-8-14/592703.md?page=5)