# Breaking Bad 4.13 "Face Off" 10/9 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 10, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130 "2011-10-10T00:22:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/181 "2011-10-11T18:51:27Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > You’d be surprised if I missed it? I just said I missed it. Do you think I’m lying? > > Maybe I was distracted or something. I missed it. Surprise! Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. > [@Rigamarole](#): > > What makes you think he knew? He went with the purpose of destroying the lab, and happened to find Jesse there (which shouldn’t have really surprised him, since Gus needed Jesse to cook). Thank you… I hadn’t thought of that and I was wondering myself. > [@jellyblue](#): > > It’s kind of sad that he potentially has so little time left with his family and he’s opted for a complicated life of crime over spending as much time as possible with him. I suspect he’ll continue to do that even now that he doesn’t have to. Except that he had many years of being with his family, years during which he felt like an impotent, spineless wretch that was disregarded and disrespected by just about everyone just about all the time. Now, in the waning hours of his life, he feels like a man. He’s enjoying it. It’s exciting, it’s rewarding, it’s redeeming, all the downsides notwithstanding. This is HIS time, and he’s taking it. Which I think is totally legitimate… aside from all the murder and mayhem, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/182 "2011-10-11T19:21:07Z")
> [@jellyblue](#): > > He also planted a bomb in a nursing home. It’s not like the other old people in there can get out quick if it’s a bigger explosion than he planned. Speaking of, given where the bomb was and the fact that Gus seemed to jump up when he saw it, the location of his injury seemed unlikely. Not to overanalyze, but perhaps he’d finished getting up and the blast threw him against the wall. There was little remotely realistic in that shot, but I completely don’t care. It’s an automatic short lister for “Best deaths in TV history” and a viable candidate for winner. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/183 "2011-10-11T19:36:34Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > You’d be surprised if I missed it? I just said I missed it. Do you think I’m lying? > > Maybe I was distracted or something. I missed it. Surprise! Take it easy. I just meant that maybe you saw it but didn’t realize that’s what was happening or that you saw it but didn’t put it together as what we were talking about in this thread. It might have been easy to mistake as his bag getting caught in the door or some other oddity. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/184 "2011-10-11T20:11:21Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > There was little remotely realistic in that shot, but I completely don’t care. It’s an automatic short lister for “Best deaths in TV history” and a viable candidate for winner. +1 ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/185 "2011-10-11T20:36:13Z")
The thing with the authorities assuming Gus is Heisenberg is that they already have a sketch of him as a bald white guy with glasses and a hat. Maybe Badger is an unreliable witness, OK. But Gus spent most of his time at this restaurants. He wasn’t the chemist, he hired guys like Gale for that. I guess the DEA will consider things wrapped up but maybe Hank won’t. ---
**Author:** ![nivlac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3bc359/32.png) [@nivlac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nivlac)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/186 "2011-10-11T21:01:22Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Yes, I heard that too. I watched the scene multiple time to verify, and yes, there was breathing. Someone was watching them from a hiding place, perhaps Mike. You guys are right. I wondered about that scene when I first saw it. There were definitely some breathing-like sounds The only purpose of that scene had to be to provide the viewpoint of someone spying on Walt and Jesse on the roof. And therein lies another link to next season. > [@Sitnam](#): > > It’ll be real hard to side with a protagonist that gets back in the shit by his own volition. He’s free, he’s not wealthy but he’s free and even if the cancer comes back that car wash is a substantial asset. He’ll be risking what he’s gained by trying to start again, and the DEA will know they still didn’t get Heisenburg. … He had no problem feeling completely justified in doing immoral acts until now, we’ll find out next season if he’s willing to make excuses to continue to do them. I have no doubt that Walt will be Heisenberg full time next season. What happened in the season finale was the completion of his transformation into his evil alter ego. Next season, it’ll be Heisenberg assuming the Walter White personna when needed, not vice versa. He’s the new Gus now. That was a key reason why they had to kill off the old Gus. Up until _Face Off_, the only thing that Gus had done that was worse than Walt was his hit on Andrea’s kid brother. Now Walt has crossed that heinous threshold when he poisoned Brock. He sent an innocent neighbor into his house to check it out. He manipulated people (especially Jesse) as well as Gus. He had no problem cold-bloodedly blasting those goons in the lab. I repeat: He’s the new Gus. How he’ll rebuild that drug empire will be part of next year’s story. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/187 "2011-10-11T22:45:10Z")
> [@nivlac](#): > > I have no doubt that Walt will be Heisenberg full time next season. What happened in the season finale was the completion of his transformation into his evil alter ego. Next season, it’ll be Heisenberg assuming the Walter White personna when needed, not vice versa. He’s the new Gus now. That was a key reason why they had to kill off the old Gus. Up until _Face Off_, the only thing that Gus had done that was worse than Walt was his hit on Andrea’s kid brother. Now Walt has crossed that heinous threshold when he poisoned Brock. He sent an innocent neighbor into his house to check it out. He manipulated people (especially Jesse) as well as Gus. He had no problem cold-bloodedly blasting those goons in the lab. I repeat: He’s the new Gus. How he’ll rebuild that drug empire will be part of next year’s story. And he brought a bomb into a hospital. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/188 "2011-10-11T23:01:32Z")
Another year will pass before we know what Walt Jr. has for breakfast the next day. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/189 "2011-10-11T23:28:58Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Another year will pass before we know what Walt Jr. has for breakfast the next day. And to think some people said we didn’t get a cliffhanger! ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/190 "2011-10-11T23:52:32Z")
I just hope that if its pancakes Skyler doesn’t decide to use “this organic Lily of the Valley Syrup your father made”. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/191 "2011-10-12T00:47:08Z")
Maybe she’ll mix him up a little Cream of Ricin. ---
**Author:** ![palacheck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a88e57/32.png) [@palacheck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/palacheck)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/192 "2011-10-12T01:11:24Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Maybe she’ll mix him up a little Cream of Ricin. mmm Ricin Krispie Treats. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/193 "2011-10-12T01:31:25Z")
> [@palacheck](#): > > mmm Ricin Krispie Treats. Featured in the first episode, _Snap, Crackle, Die_ ---
**Author:** ![nivlac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3bc359/32.png) [@nivlac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nivlac)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/194 "2011-10-12T01:43:24Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Actually they might should have added a week more. Giancarlo Esposito’s right eye is very visible in a couple of frames- it’s at the [:50 second mark on this one](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6CjCEyAJ2s). That’s not an eye you see. It’s the eyeball muscle still trying to move a non-existent eyeball! It was an intentional visual effect. That was discussed in the podcast. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/195 "2011-10-12T01:52:24Z")
Re-watching the scene with Walt and Jesse in the parking garage, the only sounds I heard that could be (to my ears) construed as labored breathing (other then from Walt) were squealing tires as cars were making the sharp corners. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/196 "2011-10-12T01:57:39Z")
There’s another podcast out there called Breaking Good which mentioned that the Breaking Bad logo appears on the hospital floor. I see what they’re talking about, but I’m not sure if I buy it as I’ve seen that pattern in hospitals before. However, they did say that in Walt’s apartment (which is Vince’s IRL apartment) they arranged some picture frames to look like the BB logo as an Easter Egg. Also, I was reading another message board and one poster, every time he wrote Breaking Bad, he’d write it as [Br]eaking [Ba]d. I’m not sure if he was doing it purposely or not, but I noticed it looks a lot like Breaking Bald that way. Come to think of it, I think I may have heard the Breaking Good podcast people refer to it as Breaking Bald once or twice as well as a joke. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/197 "2011-10-12T02:49:09Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Re-watching the scene with Walt and Jesse in the parking garage, the only sounds I heard that could be (to my ears) construed as labored breathing (other then from Walt) were squealing tires as cars were making the sharp corners. I heard breathing too. The sound on my TV is better than my picture, which is my excuse for refusing to believe Huell took Jesse’s smokes. But I definitely heard breathing. Assuming it was Mike, heavy breathing would fit, since the guy is recuperating from a gunshot wound, and probably left the “hospital” against medical advice. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/198 "2011-10-12T04:05:03Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Re-watching the scene with Walt and Jesse in the parking garage, the only sounds I heard that could be (to my ears) construed as labored breathing (other then from Walt) were squealing tires as cars were making the sharp corners. Concur - it sounded like breathing to me too the first time I heard it (the composition of the shot adds to this misperception since it does kind of appear like the perspective of someone who would be watching them from afar) but re-watching it I agree that it’s just tires screeching in the distance - if you heard the soundtrack by itself there would be no mistaking it. There’s no breathing. > [@AuntiePam](#): > > I heard breathing too. The sound on my TV is better than my picture, which is my excuse for refusing to believe Huell took Jesse’s smokes. But I definitely heard breathing. Assuming it was Mike, heavy breathing would fit, since the guy is recuperating from a gunshot wound, and probably left the “hospital” against medical advice. Wrong on both counts. There’s no breathing and Huell very clearly pocketed Jesse’s cigarettes. You might be able to find the clips temporarily on YouTube, but I have it on iTunes and have re-watched both scenes carefully. Neither one is ambiguous. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/199 "2011-10-12T05:46:41Z")
I am wondering if we’ll hear more about Gus Fring’s true identity next season. A major mystery for me is why Don Eladio spares Young Gus’s life in 1990. He says it’s because he knows who he is. Who is he? A Pinochet torturer? Neruda’s love child? I don’t know what it takes to get a pass from the Mexican cartel. Also (I haven’t kept up with the previous episode threads so forgive me if this has been hashed out already) does it bother anyone else that Fring has the thickest accent ever when he does the Spanish-speaking scenes? Forget Chilean, he sounds like he learned Spanish phonetically. It doesn’t intrude usually, but those flashback scenes in Mexico were jarring. ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/200 "2011-10-12T07:51:09Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Now, in the waning hours of his life, he feels like a man. He’s enjoying it. It’s exciting, it’s rewarding, it’s redeeming, all the downsides notwithstanding. This is HIS time, and he’s taking it. Which I think is totally legitimate… aside from all the murder and mayhem, of course. Yeah, that’s true - the wife, the infant daughter, the son with cerebral palsy and putting all their lives in danger - fuck them. Walt feels like a MAN now, and THAT’S what’s important! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130.md?page=11)