# Breaking Bad 4.13 "Face Off" 10/9 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 10, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130 "2011-10-10T00:22:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/161 "2011-10-11T02:41:14Z")
You can definitely see Hector’s detached leg on the floor when Gus falls forward. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/162 "2011-10-11T02:54:30Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Unless the overall story arc is to turn Walt into the antagonist. That’s very, very specifically the story arc. Not just for the season but for the series as a whole. Vince for clearly set out to get you to like Walt at the beginning and hate him by the end with a couple of bumps in the road on the way there where you didn’t know how to feel (Team Gus or Team Walt). I think we’re kind of supposed to being seeing everything through Jesse’s eyes. Also, this isn’t just my opinion, Vince has stated this as fact quite a number of times. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/163 "2011-10-11T03:11:59Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > It’ll be real hard to side with a protagonist that gets back in the shit by his own volition. My guess for season 5 is exactly that. They’ll start off showing the he’s pretty much home free, the DEA is off the case, they think it was a cartel hit and that Gus was Heisenbrg, the car wash is making a steady income, Gus remaining team members think its the cartel that took him out. In other words he’ll have no good reason at all to go back to making meth. But he will. Purely because he likes the power and the thrill too much and can’t handle being an “ordinary” person again. IMO, showing him consciously choosing to cook again, just for purely selfish reasons is necessary to complete the transition from Protagonist to Antagonist. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/164 "2011-10-11T03:36:42Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > It’ll be real hard to side with a protagonist that gets back in the shit by his own volition. > [@coremelt](#): > > My guess for season 5 is exactly that. They’ll start off showing the he’s pretty much home free, the DEA is off the case, they think it was a cartel hit and that Gus was Heisenbrg, the car wash is making a steady income, Gus remaining team members think its the cartel that took him out. In other words he’ll have no good reason at all to go back to making meth. But he will. Purely because he likes the power and the thrill too much and can’t handle being an “ordinary” person again. > > IMO, showing him consciously choosing to cook again, just for purely selfish reasons is necessary to complete the transition from Protagonist to Antagonist. I’m not good at predicting what will happen, but that makes sense to me. Maybe after Hank talking about how he was right about Gus being Heisenberg, and about how it’s a shame the cartel took him out because Hank wished he had gotten him. And maybe we’ll see Walt working at the car wash, and see employees bitching about him being a crappy boss, and after a customer yells at him about how his car isn’t clean enough Walt will lose it and decide to go back into a profession where he gets some respect. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/165 "2011-10-11T04:31:39Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > I was slow on the uptake with that. I was thinking “What is that last word??? Maybe it’s going to spell “DEAD”. “NEED DEAD.” Oh my god, Walt’s plan involves Tio being dead.” > > Turns out I was wrong… and also right. This show had a lot more laughs than usual. The DEA gag, Hector ‘talking’ to the DEA guys, the bomb on the elevator, Walt and the broken window. They should do more of this. ---
**Author:** ![Mongo\_Ponton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Mongo\_Ponton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mongo_Ponton)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/166 "2011-10-11T05:02:37Z")
Jesse and Walt both have unfinished business. Jesse with his parents and little brother, Walt with Gray Matter. I see Walt owning Gray Matter and I have no idea how Jesse resolves with his family. Also in the final scene with Walt and Jesse I could swear I heard labored breathing and then they cut back to the viewpoint of the car. I don’t think that was Gus’ car. The way he left his parked no one would be able to drive in front of it as Walt did. Whose car was it and who was in there? Mike? Saul? Becky? Also was Tyrus driving Mike’s car at the nursing home? ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/167 "2011-10-11T05:38:15Z")
> [@Mongo\_Ponton](#): > > Jesse and Walt both have unfinished business. > > Jesse with his parents and little brother, Walt with Gray Matter. > > I see Walt owning Gray Matter and I have no idea how Jesse resolves with his family. > > Also in the final scene with Walt and Jesse I could swear I heard labored breathing and then they cut back to the viewpoint of the car. > I don’t think that was Gus’ car. The way he left his parked no one would be able to drive in front of it as Walt did. > > Whose car was it and who was in there? Mike? Saul? Becky? > > Also was Tyrus driving Mike’s car at the nursing home? Gray Matter? Also, I was pretty sure it was Gus’s car he was driving by. It had a Los Pollos Hermanos air freshener (?)/parking pass (?) clearly visible. Made sense to me - he was driving by in triumph. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/168 "2011-10-11T06:28:22Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Gray Matter? The company he started with his college friend whose last name is Black (the name is partly because of him: Black + White= Gray). For reasons never fully revealed he and Walt had a falling out so Walt became an underpaid high school chemistry teacher and Black became super rich. Skyler thought that the Blacks were paying for Walt’s treatments in the first couple of seasons. ---
**Author:** ![ekweizn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7c8e57/32.png) [@ekweizn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekweizn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/169 "2011-10-11T06:46:21Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > The company he started with his college friend whose last name is Black (the name is partly because of him: Black + White= Gray). For reasons never fully revealed he and Walt had a falling out so Walt became an underpaid high school chemistry teacher and Black became super rich. Skyler thought that the Blacks were paying for Walt’s treatments in the first couple of seasons. Siriusly? (Schwartz) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/170 "2011-10-11T06:52:06Z")
> [@ekweizn](#): > > Siriusly? (Schwartz) Schwarz. Sorry, I just remembered that the name was formed because of their surnames. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/171 "2011-10-11T08:39:13Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Mark Margolis (Tio Hector) should get an Emmy nomination for Outstanding Guest Star. Considering that all he has to work with is a bell, a few facial expressions, and breathing sounds he’s done a fantastic acting job on several episodes. > [@billfish678](#): > > The facial expressions of Hector when he looked Gus in the eyes was great. It was anger. It was fear. It was a look of satisfied revenge. It was a kind of giddy joy What a fantastic character he created. I especially liked the little wink he gave Hank from the elevator. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/172 "2011-10-11T11:42:04Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I’m not good at predicting what will happen, but that makes sense to me. Maybe after Hank talking about how he was right about Gus being Heisenberg, and about how it’s a shame the cartel took him out because Hank wished he had gotten him. > > And maybe we’ll see Walt working at the car wash, and see employees bitching about him being a crappy boss, and after a customer yells at him about how his car isn’t clean enough Walt will lose it and decide to go back into a profession where he gets some respect. You know what would be great? Walt should have a run in at the car wash with the “KEN WINS” guy. Remember him? He was the self-centered asshole who was always on the phone with the bluetooth headset. Walt set fire to his car. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6GI4rwSqrEk/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AH-BIAC6AKKAgwIABABGE4gWShlMA8=&rs=AOn4CLBlf4MU9hrQcF8t2z6tIoq8jAeZnA "Breaking Bad - Car Explosion Scene") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GI4rwSqrEk) He could come in and give them a hard time and could end up causing Walt to decide to become Heisenberg again. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/173 "2011-10-11T13:01:31Z")
> [@Mongo\_Ponton](#): > > Also in the final scene with Walt and Jesse I could swear I heard labored breathing and then they cut back to the viewpoint of the car. Yes, I heard that too. I watched the scene multiple time to verify, and yes, there was breathing. Someone was watching them from a hiding place, perhaps Mike. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/174 "2011-10-11T15:20:12Z")
I’m going to have to watch it again. People are talking about things I never noticed. Labored breathing at the end? Didn’t notice it. Something involving an elevator and a magnet? 😕 There’s probably other stuff I missed. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/175 "2011-10-11T15:27:56Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Something involving an elevator and a magnet? 😕 I’d be surprised if you missed that one. After Walt took the bomb off of Gus’ car, he put it in the diaper bag and went in to talk to Jesse. As he was walking off the elevator, it stuck to the door. Now that I think about it, if it stuck from that far away, I’m surprised he could pull it off himself. Also, where did Gus go after he walked away from the car? If I was Walt I’d be worried about bumping into him in the hospital. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/176 "2011-10-11T16:33:14Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I’d be surprised if you missed that one. After Walt took the bomb off of Gus’ car, he put it in the diaper bag and went in to talk to Jesse. As he was walking off the elevator, it stuck to the door. > Now that I think about it, if it stuck from that far away, I’m surprised he could pull it off himself. Also, where did Gus go after he walked away from the car? If I was Walt I’d be worried about bumping into him in the hospital. You’d be surprised if I missed it? I just said I missed it. Do you think I’m lying? Maybe I was distracted or something. I missed it. Surprise! ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/177 "2011-10-11T16:50:37Z")
[QUOTE=SamLowry] Also I had thought that Walt hadn’t gone to the level of risking the lives of innocents, but showing him getting his old lady neighbor to check out his house shows what he thinks of risking other people’s lives. [/QUOTE] He also planted a bomb in a nursing home. It’s not like the other old people in there can get out quick if it’s a bigger explosion than he planned. Speaking of, given where the bomb was and the fact that Gus seemed to jump up when he saw it, the location of his injury seemed unlikely. I would think it would have blown his legs off before it got to one side of his face ::shudder::. He did look like the Terminator. Before this episode, I was thinking that the only way Walt could redeem himself was to take a hit for Jesse - confess to everything and let Jesse go try to have a life. How long is he going to be in jail with that cancer? Two, three years if he lives? He could still do that if he gets caught. It’s kind of sad that he potentially has so little time left with his family and he’s opted for a complicated life of crime over spending as much time as possible with him. I suspect he’ll continue to do that even now that he doesn’t have to. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/178 "2011-10-11T16:51:08Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Also, where did Gus go after he walked away from the car? If I was Walt I’d be worried about bumping into him in the hospital. He found other transportation. He was leaving, not going back into the hospital. ---
**Author:** ![by-tor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/by-tor/32/266_2.png) [@by-tor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/by-tor)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/179 "2011-10-11T18:03:26Z")
How did Walt know that Jesse had been kidnapped and was at the lab? ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130/180 "2011-10-11T18:06:33Z")
> [@by-tor](#): > > How did Walt know that Jesse had been kidnapped and was at the lab? What makes you think he knew? He went with the purpose of destroying the lab, and happened to find Jesse there (which shouldn’t have really surprised him, since Gus needed Jesse to cook). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-4-13-face-off-10-9/599130.md?page=10)