# Breaking Bad 5.01 "Live Free or Die" 7/15/12 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 15, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323 "2012-07-15T18:26:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Bytegeist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Bytegeist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bytegeist)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/221 "2012-07-18T01:14:28Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > [Here’s](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/JoeyJoeyPP/bacon.jpg) yer damn bacon… > > I took this picture right after he broke it in half (but before any cut aways had been made). It clearly shows that there were originally five pieces). I’ve drawn a line on each piece since it’s hard to tell in the picture, but they’re all there…I assure you. Now, when they cut to they guy watching him, it’s clear that they replace\* the bacon Walt broke with 10 nice equally sized pieces, but he did start with 5 pieces. Not only that, you can just make out a second gunman in the hash browns. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/222 "2012-07-18T01:19:07Z")
There are five pieces, because he broke them in half, and used all the halves to make ‘52’, which has 10 line segments made of bacon… ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/223 "2012-07-18T01:19:26Z")
> [@Bytegeist](#): > > Not only that, you can just make out a second gunman in the hash browns. That’s Jimmy Hoffa. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/224 "2012-07-18T01:21:29Z")
No. No. No. Thats the Virgin Mary. And she has a “plan”. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/225 "2012-07-18T03:55:01Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > There are five pieces, because he broke them in half, and used all the halves to make ‘52’, which has 10 line segments made of bacon.. Yeah, **Joey P** , take _that_! ::giant bitch slap:: ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/226 "2012-07-18T04:21:03Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > There are five pieces, because he broke them in half, and used all the halves to make ‘52’, which has 10 line segments made of bacon.. > [@Chefguy](#): > > Yeah, **Joey P** , take _that_! ::giant bitch slap:: Wait what? I’m confused? Someone misunderstood something. I drew a line through the five pieces on the left side right after he broke them just because that was an easy place to see them but stated “It clearly shows that there were originally five pieces” which is what people were arguing about (some people claimed that he started with three). ---
**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/227 "2012-07-18T05:44:17Z")
Jesus on a pogo stick. You guys _really_ need to get laid. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/228 "2012-07-18T05:46:06Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > That’s too attenuated even to be indirect. Walt didn’t arrange for John DeLancie to crash the plane. There are too many independent voluntary intervening acts to say that Walt was responsible for it. Do you remember the speech Walt gives to the kids at his school after the crash? He grasps madly at every far-fetched silver lining he can think of in order to remove the crushing guilt on his conscience. So I don’t think it’s out of the question to argue that Walt himself feels responsible. “It’s only the 50th worst aviation disaster. Actually, TIED for 50th!” And speaking to the chronological pacing of the show, a nice visual cue that puts a fine point on how little time has passed is that Saul has been wearing his blue crash remembrance ribbon for three seasons now. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/229 "2012-07-18T10:52:04Z")
Feeling guilt and culpability are two different things. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/230 "2012-07-18T11:46:57Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > And speaking to the chronological pacing of the show, a nice visual cue that puts a fine point on how little time has passed is that Saul has been wearing his blue crash remembrance ribbon for three seasons now. Also, in the episode “Hermanos” last season, which can’t be more than a couple weeks before when we are now, Walt tells a fellow cancer patient that he’s been dealing with cancer “for the better part of a year.”. Of course, this only becomes relevant if Walt was celebrating his real 52nd birthday. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/231 "2012-07-18T13:38:21Z")
\_ \_ |\_ \_| _||_ Sorry, I skipped breakfast and I’m craving a Grand Slam. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/232 "2012-07-18T18:24:33Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Feeling guilt and culpability are two different things. I don’t think they are different in that situation. Where does that guilt come from if not because Walt knows he is culpable? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/233 "2012-07-18T18:59:38Z")
I don’t accept that feeling guilty is an objective standard for determining actual guilt. There are plenty of things that one might feel guilty about that a standard for imposing liability on someone wouldn’t. For example, the standard I gave in my very post – that there were independent voluntary intervening acts that caused the harm – is one that comes from the law. If Walt were to face justice for his crimes, the deaths in the airplane crash would not be among those, because, objectively speaking, he didn’t do that. Someone else did, of his own accord. ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/234 "2012-07-18T19:10:36Z")
So did anybody notice that Future Walt isn’t wearing his wedding band? Is that part of his disguise, or has something happened to Skyler at that point? ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/235 "2012-07-18T19:15:01Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > So did anybody notice that Future Walt isn’t wearing his wedding band? Is that part of his disguise, or has something happened to Skyler at that point? Maybe he was robbed. Or just wanted to pick up chicks. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/236 "2012-07-18T21:11:51Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Maybe he was robbed. Or just wanted to pick up chicks. His effort was a total fail on the Denny’s waitress. He needs to try harder. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/237 "2012-07-18T23:59:32Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Since people seem to be ignoring my comment about the computer displays failing, I’m going to repeat it: > > A strong enough electro-magnetic field could mess up the video card RAM, which would result in the failure of the display exactly as shown. **The screen fail is realistic** , not TV-fantasy. Someone get the Mythbusters on this, because until then, I’m not buying it. 😉 Anyway, the real bacon plothole is that he left bacon on the plate, uneaten. Even if he was just there to meet Bobby for the gun, who leaves uneaten bacon? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/238 "2012-07-19T00:18:51Z")
That’s pervasive on television. Characters routinely order food and then abandon it. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/239 "2012-07-19T00:45:10Z")
“I am the one who walks!”\* \*-“away from an uneaten plate of food…” ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323/240 "2012-07-19T00:49:12Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > That’s pervasive on television. Characters routinely order food and then abandon it. It’s the updated version of 50’s TV. Go watch old reruns of I Love Lucy, Dick Van Dyke, Dragnet etc. Pay attention to how often someone will light a cigarette, take (maybe) one puff, then put it out. I mean, it’s rare for a scene to last as long as a cigarette and it would take a lot of effort to keep the length of the cigarette in check the whole time, but (to me anyways) it always looked awkward when someone would snuff out a nearly whole cigarette like it was a normal thing to do. At least walking away from a full plate of food isn’t as noticeable…provided you’re not calling [attention](https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPJXROAjI2-vJdV-V0XS3Q2yD7fA3-xcU73vKT3KRqjTISinsNXA) to it. Which is part of the reason I’m still claiming he was purposely calling attention to himself. I’m still thinking he was setting up an alibi for himself. Whether it was for the police or more likely someone else, he made damn sure that waitress remembered him and I’m willing to bet (this goes along with my other statement from earlier) we’ll see her again before the end of the season. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-01-live-free-or-die-7-15-12/628323.md?page=13)