# Breaking Bad 5.02 "Madrigal" 7/22/2012 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 23, 2012, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089 "2012-07-23T00:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/201 "2012-07-24T18:16:49Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Are you really not understanding what I’m asking you? _Everybody_ in the drug business gets paid. Why did you think it important to emphasize that \*Lydia \*will want to get paid? How is it any different than anyone else that Mike and Walt are involved with? > > You said it as if it would come as a surprise to Mike that she would want to get paid. > > Again, why did you bring it up? Why do you think that Lydia’s desire for money is somehow a factor that has significance over anyone else’s desire for money? And again, Mike’s not going to want to pay someone who wants to systematically kill 11 people he’s loyal to. He obviously didn’t relish killing the guy who Lydia put on him, or Chow. So they’re down to 9…10 if you include Mike. That list may still be on the table because she now can negotiate her price. He’s not going to be a happy camper when that negotiation starts between Lydia Walt Jesse and now Mike. Mike is going to want to cut those guys in, because they’ve lost their source of income. Lydia, Walt and Jesse may have other ideas. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/202 "2012-07-24T18:56:57Z")
Lydia doesn’t need to get paid by Walt. Getting to keep her cushy job and not getting killed is payment enough. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/203 "2012-07-24T19:21:51Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > And again, Why do you say “again” when you never said this before? I’ve been trying to squeeze this reasoning out of you for three posts. > [@](#): > > Mike’s not going to want to pay someone who wants to systematically kill 11 people he’s loyal to. I don’t think Mike thinks that Lydia’s going to work for free. > [@](#): > > He’s not going to be a happy camper when that negotiation starts between Lydia Walt Jesse and now Mike. Mike is going to want to cut those guys in, because they’ve lost their source of income. Lydia, Walt and Jesse may have other ideas. Everyone who was involved was being paid before. I don’t see any reason that anyone is going to expect that people are going to be involved without getting paid now. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/204 "2012-07-24T19:36:27Z")
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**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/205 "2012-07-24T19:38:25Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Lydia doesn’t need to get paid by Walt. Getting to keep her cushy job and not getting killed is payment enough. I think she will get a small cut and be allowed to live long enough for them to find out her source or make other arrangements. She’s established herself as a dangerous liability and Mike can’t let her live a minute longer than he needs her. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/206 "2012-07-24T19:39:14Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > And again, Mike’s not going to want to pay someone who wants to systematically kill 11 people he’s loyal to. He obviously didn’t relish killing the guy who Lydia put on him, or Chow. So they’re down to 9…10 if you include Mike. That list may still be on the table because she now can negotiate her price. He’s not going to be a happy camper when that negotiation starts between Lydia Walt Jesse and now Mike. Mike is going to want to cut those guys in, because they’ve lost their source of income. Lydia, Walt and Jesse may have other ideas. [And what about Saul? It’s gonna get a little bit more crowded. (5.03 Preview on Youtube)](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2ATpwfNn8Q&feature=relmfu) Also… [Inside Episode 502 Breaking Bad: Madrigal](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pcfxOLHMO0&feature=relmfu) [Making of Episode 502, Madrigal: Inside Breaking Bad](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXT-g0bhwxg&feature=relmfu) ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/207 "2012-07-24T19:40:22Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Why do you say “again” when you never said this before? I’ve been trying to squeeze this reasoning out of you for three posts. > > I don’t think Mike thinks that Lydia’s going to work for free. > > Everyone who was involved was being paid before. I don’t see any reason that anyone is going to expect that people are going to be involved without getting paid now. You’re a broken record. Move on. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/208 "2012-07-24T19:41:25Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > [And what about Saul? It’s gonna get a little bit more crowded. (5.03 Preview on Youtube)](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2ATpwfNn8Q&feature=relmfu) > > Also… > > [Inside Episode 502 Breaking Bad: Madrigal](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pcfxOLHMO0&feature=relmfu) > [Making of Episode 502, Madrigal: Inside Breaking Bad](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXT-g0bhwxg&feature=relmfu) Of course, Saul…Walt’s growing his empire. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/209 "2012-07-24T19:44:41Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > I think she will get a small cut and be allowed to live long enough for them to find out her source or make other arrangements. She’s established herself as a dangerous liability and Mike can’t let her live a minute longer than he needs her. I think it might be interesting if they producers show how they deal with the 11 listed. They’ve dealt with 2 so far. Lydia may stay a little longer than expected. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/210 "2012-07-24T19:48:48Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > You’re a broken record. Move on. I wouldn’t have had to if you had answered the question the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/211 "2012-07-24T19:50:26Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Lydia doesn’t need to get paid by Walt. Getting to keep her cushy job and not getting killed is payment enough. Definitely in Mike’s eyes, this is why I doubt he’d want to pay her for the privilege of living. That access to the meth ingredient was her ticket to live. His partners may think otherwise and may wish to negotiate ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/212 "2012-07-24T19:51:48Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I wouldn’t have had to if you had answered the question the first time. Maybe I’ll just ignore this. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/213 "2012-07-24T19:56:52Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I wouldn’t have had to if you had answered the question the first time. double post ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/214 "2012-07-24T20:01:39Z")
**Acsenray** , **Andiethewestie** , I think it’s time to let this disagreement go. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/215 "2012-07-24T20:05:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **Acsenray** , **Andiethewestie** , I think it’s time to let this disagreement go. I’ll get a barrel. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/216 "2012-07-24T20:09:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **Acsenray** , **Andiethewestie** , I think it’s time to let this disagreement go. Hey Marley, why don’t you ask the troller to please answer the question about how Beneke’s trip was foreshadowed. Ascenray never did answer the question, maybe because the poster was too pre-occupied trying to trip other posters. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/217 "2012-07-24T20:13:11Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Hey Marley, why don’t you ask the troller to please answer the question about how Beneke’s trip was foreshadowed. Ascenray never did answer the question, maybe because the poster was too pre-occupied trying to trip other posters. He didn’t get a chance, another poster jumped in just a few posts later and said: > [@Erdosain](#): > > When Skylar goes over to talk to him at his house, he stumbles over the rug (and smoothes it out with his foot) on the way to open the door for Sky. I don’t remember if this is the same episode where he breaks his neck, though. I think it is. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/218 "2012-07-24T20:13:53Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > I’ll get a barrel. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/219 "2012-07-24T20:15:17Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Hey Marley, why don’t you ask the troller to please answer the question about how Beneke’s trip was foreshadowed. Ascenray never did answer the question, maybe because the poster was too pre-occupied trying to trip other posters. The question was answered (by someone else), and he was not trying to trip you up. He asked you to explain your thinking, and it’s time to let the whole thing drop. Do not accuse other posters of trolling unless you are in the Pit, no exceptions. ---
**Author:** ![Pine\_Fresh\_Scent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@Pine\_Fresh\_Scent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pine_Fresh_Scent)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/220 "2012-07-24T21:24:47Z")
1. I wondered why Vince Gilligan kept Walt’s head out of the frame in the scene where he checks on Skyler early in the episode. It just looked odd to have Skyler’s back to the camera and Walt’s head completely out of the picture. Someone mentioned that the scene composition was meant to “dehumanize” Evil Walt by not showing his face - pretty nifty. I wonder if the same thought went into the final scene where he’s mostly in shadows, um, behind Skyler. 2. Aren’t the chances of a normally vacuumed up cigarette making it into the Roomba’s dust pan intact pretty slim? If Jesse suspects Walt planted the ricin cigarette in the Roomba’s dust pan their whole relationship will unravel. I doubt the show will go this route, though. 3. From the “fly in the room” discussion on page 4 of this thread: is the gunman’s fly/zipper open in the linked picture? Good catch. 4. Mike to Walt from next week’s promo: “Just because you shot Jesse James doesn’t _make_ you Jesse James.” Walt’s building his little meth kingpin sandcastle on a beach littered with landmines. I think the only questions are how and when (not if) will he get taken out and who will go with him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089.md?page=12)