# Breaking Bad 5.02 "Madrigal" 7/22/2012 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 23, 2012, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089 "2012-07-23T00:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/221 "2012-07-24T21:31:28Z")
I could be remembering wrong, but I don’t think he pulled a whole cigarette out of the roomba. I think it was just the glass cylinder containing the ricin. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/222 "2012-07-24T22:17:00Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > [And what about Saul? It’s gonna get a little bit more crowded. (5.03 Preview on Youtube)](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2ATpwfNn8Q&feature=relmfu) > > Also… > > [Inside Episode 502 Breaking Bad: Madrigal](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pcfxOLHMO0&feature=relmfu) > [Making of Episode 502, Madrigal: Inside Breaking Bad](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXT-g0bhwxg&feature=relmfu) Thank you so much for these links. I’m under the dual challenge of being a dish subscriber and recovering from a hip replacement - I have to get my BB fix on an iPod, and it’s a pain in the ass to try and get the previews and extras. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/223 "2012-07-24T22:18:31Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > I’ll get a barrel. But I got a perfectly good tub! ETA: You’re welcome, **singular1**! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/224 "2012-07-24T22:28:34Z")
I don’t follow this show (yet), but saw the following chart and thought it would be of interest in this thread: [Walt’s current cash position](http://www.businessinsider.com/this-is-how-much-money-breaking-bads-walt-has-left-from-his-meth-empire-infographic-2012-7). ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/225 "2012-07-24T22:45:55Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I could be remembering wrong, but I don’t think he pulled a whole cigarette out of the roomba. I think it was just the glass cylinder containing the ricin. It was the [complete cigarette](http://i46.tinypic.com/2r4lwt2.jpg). Not knowing how Roomba’s work, I can’t say whether or not that was plausible, but all that really matters is that Jesse believed it. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/226 "2012-07-24T22:52:32Z")
Speaking of cigarette, I had a question about the other one in the episode. When Chow was being escorted out by his lawyer and ran into Mike and started to light one and Mike tells him “you can’t smoke in here”: do you think there was any subtext there? On the surface, it was an addled old man who’s been through a hell of a grilling by the DEA and needs his smoke. However, it was so ritualistic, plus anybody who’s been in a public building in the U.S. for 20+ years knows they don’t allow smoking and besides the door’s just a few feet away, that it made me wonder if it was some kind of coded message being conveyed from Chow to Mike and back. Of course Chow gets killed before Mike sees him again, but there seemed to be something exchanged in those glances. ---
**Author:** ![Bytegeist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Bytegeist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bytegeist)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/227 "2012-07-24T23:03:21Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Walt could have buried [the ricin] or something but he couldn’t flush it into the water supply. Although you’ll notice that’s precisely what he did in Jesse’s house with the fake ricin. But is it really a concern? I know ricin is wicked lethal, but such a small sample would become pretty weak as it diffused through a sewer system. > [@Sampiro](#): > > When Chow was being escorted out by his lawyer and ran into Mike and started to light one and Mike tells him “you can’t smoke in here”: do you think there was any subtext there? It was a surprising comment, but I took it to be Mike reminding Chow who has the upper hand — even now, when the meth operation seems to have collapsed. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/228 "2012-07-24T23:17:42Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Speaking of cigarette, I had a question about the other one in the episode. When Chow was being escorted out by his lawyer and ran into Mike and started to light one and Mike tells him “you can’t smoke in here”: do you think there was any subtext there? > > On the surface, it was an addled old man who’s been through a hell of a grilling by the DEA and needs his smoke. However, it was so ritualistic, plus anybody who’s been in a public building in the U.S. for 20+ years knows they don’t allow smoking and besides the door’s just a few feet away, that it made me wonder if it was some kind of coded message being conveyed from Chow to Mike and back. Of course Chow gets killed before Mike sees him again, but there seemed to be something exchanged in those glances. I think Chow’s reflexive and absent-minded action to smoke showed just how nervous he was. Mike immediately picked up on that and undoubtedly was concerned that Chow was so nervous, and correctly assumed that things had not gone so well. Mike had been expecting routine questions to be asked of him and his compatriots; he had **not** expected them to find and seize their secret bank accounts, which is what probably rattled Chow so much. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/229 "2012-07-24T23:20:56Z")
Just FYI, I think it’s Chao. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/230 "2012-07-24T23:24:16Z")
I think it was partially to show that Mike’s assumption that all the partners would stand strong against interrogation may not be entirely correct. He looked like he was about to fold like a piece of paper, so maybe Lydia was right. And if Lydia was right, maybe she decided to go another route to take out the 11 names… ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/231 "2012-07-24T23:30:28Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > I think it was partially to show that Mike’s assumption that all the partners would stand strong against interrogation may not be entirely correct. He looked like he was about to fold like a piece of paper, so maybe Lydia was right. And if Lydia was right, maybe she decided to go another route to take out the 11 names… I think it’s safe to say that Lydia was right and Mike was wrong. Proof of this is that she got one of his “solid” guys to try to execute Mike for a mere $30 grand. To be fair to Mike, he didn’t realize the police had found the overseas bank accounts. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/232 "2012-07-24T23:35:45Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Just FYI, I think it’s Chao. I’ll stop spelling it “Chow” as soon as people stop spelling Skyler as “Skylar” - shit, we’ve even had a “Schuyler” spelling! ---
**Author:** ![Pitchmeister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pitchmeister/32/3459_2.png) [@Pitchmeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pitchmeister)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/233 "2012-07-24T23:41:33Z")
The German accents took me out of the teaser just a bit. You could tell they spent a lot of time on training those lines, but you could also tell that not one of the actors (maybe with the exception of the police officer who orders Schuler to open the door) is a German native speaker. I know it’s been said that the Spanish accents are pretty universally awful, and I wouldn’t know the first thing about it, but why couldn’t you hire a couple of native speakers for those throwaway parts? I’m sure not many people would notice it, though, so it’s not really worth the trouble (especially if they’re not even gonna speak Spanish properly…). Also, those German police uniforms were most definitely not even close to the real thing. Very awesome episode overall, though, and I hope we’re gonna see lots more of Lydia and her particular food preferences. Is it just me or do they seem to take very special care while introducing new characters? I remember loving Saul the most in his very first episode, although Ted gets funnier as his part grows. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/234 "2012-07-24T23:44:18Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > I’ll stop spelling it “Chow” as soon as people stop spelling Skyler as “Skylar” - shit, we’ve even had a “Schuyler” spelling! Yeah, I noticed Skylar too. One step at a time! ---
**Author:** ![Bytegeist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Bytegeist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bytegeist)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/235 "2012-07-24T23:46:16Z")
> [@Pitchmeister](#): > > The German accents took me out of the teaser just a bit. You could tell they spent a lot of time on training those lines, but you could also tell that not one of the actors (maybe with the exception of the police officer who orders Schuler to open the door) is a German native speaker. According to the Insider Podcast for this episode, _they are_ native Germans. > [@](#): > > Also, those German police uniforms were most definitely not even close to the real thing. It is true that the episode was shot in New Mexico, so sets, uniforms, and props are not going to be entirely authentic. ---
**Author:** ![by-tor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/by-tor/32/266_2.png) [@by-tor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/by-tor)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/236 "2012-07-24T23:50:56Z")
I think cmyk is right, Skyler is going to try to kill Walt eventually. Maybe at the end of the show. ---
**Author:** ![Pitchmeister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pitchmeister/32/3459_2.png) [@Pitchmeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pitchmeister)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/237 "2012-07-25T00:39:10Z")
> [@Bytegeist](#): > > According to the Insider Podcast for this episode, _they are_ native Germans. I’m listening to it right now, and apparently only the lawyer in the conference room is (he was the language advisor for the episode). ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/238 "2012-07-25T00:56:57Z")
Surely, Franch dressing guy was also a native German speaker. He was so perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Pitchmeister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pitchmeister/32/3459_2.png) [@Pitchmeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pitchmeister)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/239 "2012-07-25T01:07:10Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > Surely, Franch dressing guy was also a native German speaker. > > He was so perfect. Nope. No way. Nothing major, but you can tell after about two seconds. Kind of like the British spy in Inglorious Basterds. It’s just little things like shifted vowels or a slightly off “ch” sound, or the way he rolls his "r"s. But yes, he’s great, I really enjoyed that scene, but it would have been even better with native speakers. ETA: Oddly enough, the English speaking guy in the conference room could just be German, maybe also Schuler. Not his secretary, though. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/240 "2012-07-25T01:23:32Z")
When Mike said that Walt was a time bomb, he took the words right out of my mouth. One of the most amazing things about this show is how each major character has developed so far and so true to the character. Walt with his anger and pride is almost a classical Greek tragedy. In the very first episode I had Hank legged as a jackass, but I’ve truly come to live the guy – I’d love ti have him as a brother in law. And Marie who started out as just a crazy bitch is still crazy but almost endearingly so. (“Oh, this isn’t Nazi Germany! Pfft! If I had a dollar for every time I heard that!”) Skyler has shown great depths of iron as well. Of course Jesse’s journey is almost bigger than Walt’s. The only character who seems to have started as just a doofus and stayed that way is Ted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089.md?page=13)