# Breaking Bad 5.02 "Madrigal" 7/22/2012 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 23, 2012, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089 "2012-07-23T00:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/41 "2012-07-23T07:35:07Z")
> [@wedgehed](#): > > Am I wrong in thinking that Gus was gay? I got the impression that his murdered partner was more than just a partner in crime. I had a weird thought today. Ol’ Gale wasn’t exactly a man’s man himself. Is it possible that all those chemistry scholarships came with a price tag? ---
**Author:** ![PeacePlease](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@PeacePlease](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeacePlease)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/42 "2012-07-23T08:55:29Z")
> [@Tarwater](#): > > That final scene, my God. Walt is an irredeemable scumbag now. Between that scene and his manipulation of Jesse, this episode put him full tilt into evil narcissistic villain territory. His treatment of Skyler was the crossing of the Rubicon, I think. No sympathy for the guy anymore. Yeah, but you know what’s weird? I wanted Skyler to turn over towards him and f\*&k his brains out. Evil Walt is hot!!! > [@Bytegeist](#): > > Okay, I guess I was confused about Madrigal. I thought they made heating equipment, or laundry machines, or something along those lines. Ding Ding!!! Madrigal owned not only the laundry but El Pollo Asado. They CLEARLY knew what was up. That’s why that head guy did what he did. Possibly, though I took it to mean he knew the jig was up and there was no way out. We heard from the secretary that the cops had already come by before. Maybe he just couldn’t face prison. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/43 "2012-07-23T09:43:01Z")
> [@jrepka](#): > > It’s been hinted at pretty strongly that Gus might have been gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with that… I just have a feeling that child of Lydia’s is probably Gus’ offspring. Gus may have been gay-( especially the way he and his first partner Max interacted before Hector killed him) but I thought there were children’s toys at Gus’ house, and it strikes me that Gus would be the type to at least give the divorced family man idea an opportunity. It would be good for the facade. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/44 "2012-07-23T09:53:30Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Walt split half his earnings with Jesse. So it does seem like he should have more money, but maybe it’s plausible that he doesn’t. Jesse was very careless with his money, but you’d think he still has a million+ packed away. > > Best line of the show was Hank saying that his partner jumped to the conclusion that this 10 year old girl was the muscle behind Gus’ operation. > > The scene before last - Mike with that girl - I thought was going to be darker and more brutal than is typical for even this show. I assumed he was going to kill her, and I thought it was rather bleak, the way they discussed how the daughter would find out about her. I’m actually sort of dissapointed that she lived - I thought it would be a good opportunity since this season really should be about how dark things can get. THIS. I kept thinking that not killing her was Mike’s “half measure,” and maybe a mistake he’ll regret. I think part of his reasoning was not only Lydia’s ability to get the ingredient Walt needs for the cook, her child is somehow central here. Also, Hank’s alluding to 10 year old being the muscle reminded me of how that 11 year old little boy killed Combo. The show is very good at showing how the innocent get pulled into the horror of the drug world. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/45 "2012-07-23T10:34:33Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > I just have a feeling that child of Lydia’s is probably Gus’ offspring. > > Gus may have been gay-( especially the way he and his first partner Max interacted before Hector killed him) but I thought there were children’s toys at Gus’ house, and it strikes me that Gus would be the type to at least give the divorced family man idea an opportunity. It would be good for the facade. If she was part of Gus’s cover story—his ex-wife or whatever—she would be under much stronger scrutiny, not just one of many at Madrigal. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/46 "2012-07-23T11:02:58Z")
> [@wedgehed](#): > > Am I wrong in thinking that Gus was gay? I got the impression that his murdered partner was more than just a partner in crime. See below. > [@](#): > > Did anyone else detect a light bulb begin to flicker over Hank’s head when his former supervisor was lamenting not seeing what was right in front of him? I did think the same thing, yes. But we’ve seen Hank have similar looks when the truth was right under his nose, yet he still never showed any signs of putting it all together. Also, another thing that he could have possibly been considering was if the supervisor guy was lying, and had been in cahoots with Gus all along. > [@jrepka](#): > > It’s been hinted at pretty strongly that Gus might have been gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with that… Yeah, there have been subtle hints to Gus being gay, but nothing concrete, and he may have bisexual, after all. Or maybe he was gay and just wanted to father a child. > [@Washoe](#): > > I had a weird thought today. Ol’ Gale wasn’t exactly a man’s man himself. Is it possible that all those chemistry scholarships came with a price tag? Not that weird a thought, there has been some speculation along those lines in these threads previously. > [@Andiethewestie](#): > > THIS. I kept thinking that not killing her was Mike’s “half measure,” and maybe a mistake he’ll regret. I think part of his reasoning was not only Lydia’s ability to get the ingredient Walt needs for the cook, her child is somehow central here. If the conjecture about Gus being the father is true, and Mike knew, that might explain why he decided against killing the mother and making the little girl an orphan. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/47 "2012-07-23T12:42:37Z")
> [@wedgehed](#): > > Am I wrong in thinking that Gus was gay? I got the impression that his murdered partner was more than just a partner in crime. > > Did anyone else detect a light bulb begin to flicker over Hank’s head when his former supervisor was lamenting not seeing what was right in front of him? Of course. That was pretty far from subtle. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/48 "2012-07-23T12:47:27Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > So are there no more boxes of cash hidden around the desert? Or am I remembering wrong? Didn’t Mike take Jesse to some money hiding places last season? Those weren’t just cash storage locations. They were dead drops where people downstream on the distribution side were dropping off revenues. No drugs going out means no money coming back. ---
**Author:** ![Bytegeist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Bytegeist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bytegeist)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/49 "2012-07-23T13:04:58Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Also, Hank’s alluding to 10 year old being the muscle … Well, she is pretty vicious at _Hungry Hungry Hippos_. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/50 "2012-07-23T13:44:57Z")
Was watching this with my brother last night and he’s adamant that you wouldn’t be able to kill yourself with an [AED](http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Pro-EX-Controller-Xbox-360/dp/B005761CFO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342819826&sr=8-1&keywords=xbox+mini+controller)the way Schuler did. Something to do with a mechanism in the device that checks for a pulse before firing. Can anyone answer this? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/51 "2012-07-23T13:53:54Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Was watching this with my brother last night and he’s adamant that you wouldn’t be able to kill yourself with an [AED](http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Pro-EX-Controller-Xbox-360/dp/B005761CFO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342819826&sr=8-1&keywords=xbox+mini+controller)the way Schuler did. Something to do with a mechanism in the device that checks for a pulse before firing. Can anyone answer this? No, I’m quite certain you couldn’t kill yourself with the linked device (at least not the way Schuler did)…unless you beat yourself to death with it or choked on one of the small parts. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/52 "2012-07-23T13:56:49Z")
I was amazed last night - this show takes you places you never thought possible. Not necessarily good places either… All this speculation about Madrigals, the list of 11 men, Chow, Mike, Lydia, her daughter, the feds finding out and freezing all the off shore accounts…it all goes back to one line from the season 5 premiere, when Mike meets Walt and Jesse in the desert, Mike gets out of the car, aiming the gun at Walt at says, “DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU’VE DONE?!” Gus’ murder is going to set off a catastrophic chain of events. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/53 "2012-07-23T13:59:02Z")
What was Chow’s job in the orgnization? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/54 "2012-07-23T13:59:53Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > > [@Bob Ducca](#): > > > > Was watching this with my brother last night and he’s adamant that you wouldn’t be able to kill yourself with an [AED](http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Pro-EX-Controller-Xbox-360/dp/B005761CFO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342819826&sr=8-1&keywords=xbox+mini+controller)the way Schuler did. Something to do with a mechanism in the device that checks for a pulse before firing. Can anyone answer this? > > No, I’m quite certain you couldn’t kill yourself with the linked device (at least not the way Schuler did)…unless you beat yourself to death with it or choked on one of the small parts. I agree; my understanding is that an AED will not act upon a heart that is in normal rhythm. (On the other hand, I don’t think they’re designed to have one lead in your mouth, so perhaps he hacked it.) ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/55 "2012-07-23T14:01:37Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What was Chow’s job in the orgnization? From AMC’s website : Chow = the proprietor of Gus’s chemical warehouse ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/56 "2012-07-23T14:02:38Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I agree; my understanding is that an AED will not act upon a heart that is in normal rhythm. (On the other hand, I don’t think they’re designed to have one lead in your mouth, so perhaps he hacked it.) Click on the link Bob provided us with and see if that’s the answer you want to stick with. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/57 "2012-07-23T14:19:15Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Click on the link Bob provided us with and see if that’s the answer you want to stick with. 😃 Holy crap, that’s hilarious. I copied that Amazon link _last week_, and I guess I failed at copying the correct link. [HERE is the correct link.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_external_defibrillator) Must be Monday. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/58 "2012-07-23T14:23:26Z")
I liked the final flush as Schuler fell. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/59 "2012-07-23T14:38:11Z")
Was Walt’s face all in black during the last scene? I couldn’t tell if it was one purpose or if it was just my TV. ---
**Author:** ![Bytegeist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Bytegeist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bytegeist)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089/60 "2012-07-23T14:44:28Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > No, I’m quite certain you couldn’t kill yourself with the linked device … It’s a well hidden easter egg. You press A, Y, Y, up, X, left, B, X, B, down, left, and fire — and off you go. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-02-madrigal-7-22-2012/629089.md?page=4)