# Breaking Bad 5.12 "Rabid Dog" 9/1/13 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 1, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725 "2013-09-01T13:17:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/201 "2013-09-04T04:43:39Z")
Hank has legit cause to keep Jesse at home, As Jesse pointed out Walt will know within minutes if Jesse gets entered into the system. That is probably how Gomez got on board with this mess. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/202 "2013-09-04T04:46:52Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > Hank has legit cause to keep Jesse at home, As Jesse pointed out Walt will know within minutes if Jesse gets entered into the system. That is probably how Gomez got on board with this mess. That’s a logical reason. It’s not a legit (as in legal) reason. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/203 "2013-09-04T04:53:35Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That’s a logical reason. It’s not a legit (as in legal) reason. Isn’t it? If Hank said “I’m not arresting you, I’m not detaining you, you’re free to go, but if you come with me, not as a DEA agent, just as someone else who wants to take this asshole down, I promise, you’re a lot safer at my house then you are out on the street or in a cell. But here’s the deal, you can stay at my house for a few hours, maybe a day, but you have to tell me everything you know and when we pick up Walt I’ll make sure it pays off for you. If you fuck with me, I’ll just book you into the system now for attempted arson and let the system do what it wants” IOW, I’m thinking it is legal because he’s not under arrest and he’s not being detained, he’s just helping Hank and Gomez out, ya know, as a friend. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/204 "2013-09-04T04:54:28Z")
Xtreme Clean Guy- “This is as good as it gets.” Walt- “This is as good as it gets.” Jeez, Walt, you didn’t have to kill the guy… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/205 "2013-09-04T05:15:17Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > if you come with me, not as a DEA agent, just as someone else who wants to take this asshole down That’s not a real distinction. Hank is a DEA agent conducting an investigation. In this case he’s conducting a secret investigation and asked Jesse for a confession when he hasn’t been charged and hasn’t been advised of his rights. Emphasizing that I’m not a lawyer… I find it just about impossible to believe that it would be legal. Jesse confessed to murdering Gale and who knows how many other crimes on that tape. How would anyone use that in a trial? It might give the DEA a starting point as they investigate Walt, but then they’d have to hope nobody found out about the circumstances of this confession. To me this is relevant because we can be pretty sure Walt doesn’t get convicted of anything. > [@](#): > > I promise, you’re a lot safer at my house then you are out on the street or in a cell. Hank wasn’t worried about Jesse’s safety- he made that very clear later. He was doing this off the books because he knew Walt would find out if Jesse had been arrested, and this way Walt can’t destroy any evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/206 "2013-09-04T05:59:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That’s not a real distinction. Hank is a DEA agent conducting an investigation. In this case he’s conducting a secret investigation and asked Jesse for a confession when he hasn’t been charged and hasn’t been advised of his rights. Emphasizing that I’m not a lawyer… I find it just about impossible to believe that it would be legal. Jesse confessed to murdering Gale and who knows how many other crimes on that tape. How would anyone use that in a trial? It might give the DEA a starting point as they investigate Walt, but then they’d have to hope nobody found out about the circumstances of this confession. To me this is relevant because we can be pretty sure Walt doesn’t get convicted of anything. Maybe that’s how it’s going to go down, I’m just arguing the other side. To go on with that, assuming it’s not admissible, then they won’t submit it, they’ll just use it as a starting point. Once they have Walt in custody for something, they can show him the tape of Jesse ‘confessing’ and see what he has to say about it. They can also officially book Jesse and have him properly record a confession, he’d probably be wise to ask for witness protection. I think he’d be eligible for it, considering the power Walt’s proven he has (WRT killing witnesses) and the details that Jesse can provide about every single aspect of the operation from start to finish. > [@](#): > > Hank wasn’t worried about Jesse’s safety- he made that very clear later. He was doing this off the books because he knew Walt would find out if Jesse had been arrested, and this way Walt can’t destroy any evidence. Well, Hank might say he doesn’t care if Jesse lives or dies, but he’s also the star witness right now and I think he’d prefer to have him alive. Also, guaranteeing his safety is probably the best way to make sure he keeps talking. Actually, we need to make sure we keep something straight now that I think about it. It’s not that Hank doesn’t care if Jesse lives or dies, it’s that Hank doesn’t care if Jesse dies as long as he catches Walt killing him on tape. Hank isn’t going to be all “Oh well” if Jesse dies mysteriously during the night at his [Hank’s] house and the confession tape goes missing or if Hank puts him in the system and a guard shoots him in the head an hour later. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/207 "2013-09-04T11:49:42Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Hank wasn’t worried about Jesse’s safety- he made that very clear later. He was doing this off the books because he knew Walt would find out if Jesse had been arrested, and this way Walt can’t destroy any evidence. I still really don’t believe Hank’s excuse that he’s keeping Jesse at his house because Walt would find out if he booked him and have him killed in jail. That’s just something that Jesse mentioned that Hank is now using to rationalize what he’s doing, to Jesse himself, to Marie, maybe to Gomez. Hank’s keeping Jesse at his house because he wants to keep the rest of the DEA out of this as much as possible. Same reason he’s examining evidence in his garage and not at the office. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/208 "2013-09-04T13:11:40Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > I still really don’t believe Hank’s excuse that he’s keeping Jesse at his house because Walt would find out if he booked him and have him killed in jail. That’s just something that Jesse mentioned that Hank is now using to rationalize what he’s doing, to Jesse himself, to Marie, maybe to Gomez. Hank’s keeping Jesse at his house because he wants to keep the rest of the DEA out of this as much as possible. Same reason he’s examining evidence in his garage and not at the office. That’s probably a good point and I’m guessing, if they’re still playing with time in the next episode, we’ll find out exactly what he said to Gomez to get him on board with the plan. I can’t believe we’ll never hear how he rationalized it to him. If this is a truly rogue operation, Gomez knows that he’ll end up losing his job too and he [Gomez] just isn’t that interested in the blue or Heisenberg to care about throwing away his career over it…especially since it probably hasn’t really been around lately, at least not like it was. I’m sure it’s quite clear, to the DEA guys, that Heisenberg is off the scene. Every time that Walt’s taken a break the DEA has always known about it. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/209 "2013-09-04T13:17:17Z")
What’s the time frame of what we’ve seen so far this half-season? From Hank finding and taking the Whitman to Jesse’s interview is no more than, what, 7-8 days? I do like that they aren’t trying to drag out the story line; most of this would be unbelievable if handled the way most shows do it, with days and weeks passing while Rome burns. ETA: _24_ excepted, of course, except that I’ve never watched a minute of that show. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/210 "2013-09-04T13:52:01Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Hank wasn’t worried about Jesse’s safety- he made that very clear later. He was doing this off the books because he knew Walt would find out if Jesse had been arrested, and this way Walt can’t destroy any evidence. How would Walt find out if Jesse was arrested? Has it been established that he had an informant in the DEA, now that the picture frame bug is gone? And what evidence does Walt have besides the money? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/211 "2013-09-04T13:59:55Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > How would Walt find out if Jesse was arrested? Has it been established that he had an informant in the DEA, now that the picture frame bug is gone? And what evidence does Walt have besides the money? Well, Saul seems to have some tendrils into the system, at least. When Jesse was picked up for throwing the money around, Saul came swooping in out of nowhere, and apparently Jesse hadn’t called him (or anyone), as far as I could tell. Still, the idea that Jesse is safer at Hank’s house, without a single cop in sight except for Hank and Gomez, is pretty preposterous, and that’s why I don’t think Hank believes it either. Surely, the DEA have ways of hiding key witnesses that are pretty darned safe, if they need to. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/212 "2013-09-04T14:02:16Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > How would Walt find out if Jesse was arrested? Has it been established that he had an informant in the DEA, now that the picture frame bug is gone? And what evidence does Walt have besides the money? Saul has a ‘gal’ that works somewhere that can call to look things up. She was mentioned last time Walt was in the office trying to track down Jesse. I don’t remember which agency she was with (APD, DEA, FBI etc), but they knew Hank probably wanted him and Saul was satisfied that he wasn’t in custody when she looked him up and didn’t see his name. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/213 "2013-09-04T14:04:15Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Well, Saul seems to have some tendrils into the system, at least. When Jesse was picked up for throwing the money around, Saul came swooping in out of nowhere, and apparently Jesse hadn’t called him (or anyone), as far as I could tell. When Jesse was tossing money out of his car, Saul said that he heard about it on the news. I’m guessing the news showed a picture of his car in the park and Saul knew what was going on. > [@](#): > > Still, the idea that Jesse is safer at Hank’s house, without a single cop in sight except for Hank and Gomez, is pretty preposterous, and that’s why I don’t think Hank believes it either. Surely, the DEA have ways of hiding key witnesses that are pretty darned safe, if they need to. Hank, maybe in justifying it to himself, said the safehouse wouldn’t be safe for Jesse. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/214 "2013-09-04T14:18:30Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > If this is a truly rogue operation It has to be, though, right? It’s not like Hank went down to the station and told everyone: “Hey, I’m letting a key witness in the Heisenberg case stay at my house for a while. Anything he tells me will be off the record for now. No, I don’t need any armed patrols or anything, it’s cool, Gomez is helping me out, but that’s it. We might be doing some surveillance of a key suspect, but I won’t tell you who that is. Oh yeah, by the way, don’t write any of this up. Actually, forget I mentioned anything about the Heisenberg case, we’re totally not investigating that.” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/215 "2013-09-04T14:30:59Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > How would Walt find out if Jesse was arrested? Has it been established that he had an informant in the DEA, now that the picture frame bug is gone? And what evidence does Walt have besides the money? > [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Well, Saul seems to have some tendrils into the system, at least. That was what I was thinking of. Not that Walt would have Jesse killed (that would be difficult since he wouldn’t be in the general population in prison like Mike’s guys were) or that he’d have an informant- just that he’d know Hank had Jesse and would start taking steps to minimize the potential effects of anything Jesse could tell Hank. Hank certainly knows how well Walt can improvise when he’s cornered, so he wants to maintain the element of surprise. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/216 "2013-09-04T14:37:55Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The logical conclusion is that Walt is putting a hit on Jesse, but it’s also Breaking Bad. They’ve surprised us more than a few times in the past, so it’s fair to wonder if that conversation wasn’t quite what it appeared to be. That’s very true. The job is definitely dirty work, but it’s not necessarily a hit. > [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Still, the idea that Jesse is safer at Hank’s house, without a single cop in sight except for Hank and Gomez, is pretty preposterous, and that’s why I don’t think Hank believes it either. Surely, the DEA have ways of hiding key witnesses that are pretty darned safe, if they need to. I was wondering about that. The DEA must have some system that would keep track of people at safe houses, even if it’s under code names and only certain people can see the system. But if the informant found out that anyone at all was put in a safe house in the past 24 hours, they would assume it was Jesse. I could see them thinking it wouldn’t be safe for Jesse at a safe house. But that’s also true that Jesse isn’t safe at Hank’s. Hank pulled away from Walt’s house just barely before Walt pulled up. It was pure luck that Walt didn’t see Jesse get into Hank’s car and see them leave. I really have no idea what the best option for Jesse or Hank is, or what they are going to do, and I can not wait to see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/217 "2013-09-04T14:45:33Z")
A major monkey wrench would be if we learned Gomez is one of Saul/Gus’s moles. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/218 "2013-09-04T14:46:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > But that’s also true that Jesse isn’t safe at Hank’s. Hank pulled away from Walt’s house just barely before Walt pulled up. It was pure luck that Walt didn’t see Jesse get into Hank’s car and see them leave. Yeah. And Hank knows what Walt is capable of, so who is to say Walt doesn’t have someone following him or watching his house? (Heck, actually, why doesn’t he? Seems to me that he’s underestimating Hank in a big way, if he thinks the DVD will be enough to fix things.) ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/219 "2013-09-04T14:47:04Z")
Do we actually know to what he confessed? were the killings of “innocent bystanders” included? Plus, wondering, why don’t they try to turn Saul? Seems to me it would justifiable, he is just the lawyer, forced by threats to launder money, etc. etc., and knows every damned thing that has happened. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/220 "2013-09-04T14:52:10Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > A major monkey wrench would be if we learned Gomez is one of Saul/Gus’s moles. I know we’ve talked about moles in the DEA in the past, but it was usually for Gus, not for Saul and there’s not enough time left for them to let Walt have one. So I’m guessing they’re not going to go there now if they didn’t go there when Gus was alive. > [@crucible](#): > > Do we actually know to what he confessed? were the killings of “innocent bystanders” included? > > Plus, wondering, why don’t they try to turn Saul? Seems to me it would justifiable, he is just the lawyer, forced by threats to launder money, etc. etc., and knows every damned thing that has happened. I’m pretty sure he mentioned the Drew Sharp murder. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725.md?page=12)