# Breaking Bad 5.12 "Rabid Dog" 9/1/13 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 1, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725 "2013-09-01T13:17:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/121 "2013-09-02T19:24:16Z")
Prediction: Marie will be the next to die. The “Just kill yourself” line and the visit to the shrink have set it up. She’ll somehow sacrifice herself for the kids. And Skyler’s “What’s one more?” line will come back to haunt her. I’m probably wrong though ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/122 "2013-09-02T19:25:19Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Nothing. > > I cannot see Jesse hurting a kid. Jesse does not like violence against children, not just ones that he cares about but any kids at any time - he does not want them hurt. For him to be ok with hurting Jr. or Holly would be very against character and they don’t have the time to make the changes in the character necessary to explain it. His instincts are also generally non-violent altogether. He came up with magnets, digging a hole to get to the meth heads. When Mike set him up as a test, he tried to drive his way out, not shoot his way out. > > Where Walt lives is his pride, his desire to be the best, his need for others to know that he’s the best, and his insistence on doing things the “right way.” That’s the direction I’m guessing that Jesse’s going. You misunderstood my meaning. When I asked what Jesse would be willing to do to Junior, I wasn’t suggesting violence, or even necessarily any kind of actual physical harm. (Technically, Brock’s poisoning wasn’t violent, but it \*was \*physical harm.) There are lots of non-violent things that Jesse could do involving Junior. At this point, now that Jesse has made clear that they are now enemies, Walt’s only direct vulnerabilities are his immediate family members. He hasn’t cared about the status of the meth operation, and even if the situation forces him to (temporarily) return to it, it will only be as a means to an end. Hank and Jesse’s only play is to use Walt’s family against him. Somehow. No violence necessary or required. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/123 "2013-09-02T19:34:57Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Already did that. A of horse indian cowboy and financial management titles. Thought they’d at least have some mineral books and maybe some trashy books Marie would read. [I’ve spotted the following potentially meaningful titles so far:](http://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2013/09/2013-08-26-breaking_bad_bookshelf.jpg) Rat Big Secrets Destiny Final Days The Money Harvest Guide To Financial Privacy …plus some Stephen King novels, some books on the body language of horses, a lot of completely unrelated stuff, and a bunch of titles that are too blurry to read (I need a better screen shot). What’s up with the horse books? ---
**Author:** ![a\_mouse\_in\_the\_house](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/51bf81/32.png) [@a\_mouse\_in\_the\_house](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a_mouse_in_the_house)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/124 "2013-09-02T19:49:45Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Junior has never even met Jesse. Why would be he even believe him? Even if he did, Walt would surely be able to weasel out of it one way or another. I think Junior would take the word of his loving father over some random meth head. Even if Junior checked Jesse’s story with Hank, and Hank confirmed it, Walt could pull some version of the “Hank is the crook” bogus confession story on him (preferably one that didn’t involve incriminating himself this time). > > Honestly, I doubt Junior would recognize the truth if it sat on his face. I recall a few seasons back, on the eve of Junior’s birthday when he gets the PT Cruiser, Jesse beat the crap out of Walt, and the day after, Junior went to his dad’s apartment to check on Walt since he missed his birthday. Walt, all hopped up on pain killers, called Junior Jesse. So you have seeds of doubt material right there if Jesse spills the beans to Junior, especially if Jesse gives Junior his name during that conversation. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/125 "2013-09-02T21:16:50Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > [I’ve spotted the following potentially meaningful titles so far:](http://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2013/09/2013-08-26-breaking_bad_bookshelf.jpg) > > Rat > Big Secrets > Destiny > Final Days > The Money Harvest > Guide To Financial Privacy > > …plus some Stephen King novels, some books on the body language of horses, a lot of completely unrelated stuff, and a bunch of titles that are too blurry to read (I need a better screen shot). > > What’s up with the horse books? There are a number of financial (pop finance, actually) books. Also: > [@](#): > > _Citizen Lazlo_ by Don Novello (I have his first Lazlo book. Very funny stuff.) > _Crazy Rhythm_ > _Rainbow’s End - The Crash of 1929_, which seems apt, if not really a foreshadowing of anything. > _Four Past Midnight_, by Stephen King, Again, apt, but probably not revealing anything. > [_The Blue Nowhere_, by Jeffery Deaver, which is about a murderous computer hacker who uses his skills to lure people to their deaths. Some kind of foreshadowing?](http://www.jefferydeaver.com/novel/the-blue-nowhere/) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/126 "2013-09-02T21:22:11Z")
I just looked at the synopsis for _[The Blue Nowhere](http://www.jefferydeaver.com/novel/the-blue-nowhere/)_. In the book, the head of The California State Police Computer Crimes Division uses a convicted hacker to help him catch the murderer. That’s pretty close to Hank utilizing Jesse, and seems like it might be more than a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/127 "2013-09-02T21:34:36Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Junior has never even met Jesse. Didn’t Jesse once have a very awkward dinner with the White family? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/128 "2013-09-02T21:39:09Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Didn’t Jesse once have a very awkward dinner with the White family? Just Walter and Skyler. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/129 "2013-09-02T21:39:38Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Didn’t Jesse once have a very awkward dinner with the White family? Episode 506, “Buyout”. That was when Junior and Holly were staying with Hank and Marie. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/130 "2013-09-02T21:52:38Z")
> [@el\_nombre](#): > > Another item on Hank’s bookshelf was the DVD box set of Deadwood…starring Anna Gunn. Well. . ._featuring_ Anna Gunn, anyway. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/131 "2013-09-02T22:16:14Z")
How long can the Whites keep Junior in the dark? Sooner or later he’s going to start asking some tough questions about the status of aunt Marie’s computer problem. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/132 "2013-09-02T22:30:07Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > [I’ve spotted the following potentially meaningful titles so far:](http://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2013/09/2013-08-26-breaking_bad_bookshelf.jpg) > > Rat > Big Secrets > Destiny > Final Days > The Money Harvest > Guide To Financial Privacy > > …plus some Stephen King novels, some books on the body language of horses, a lot of completely unrelated stuff, and a bunch of titles that are too blurry to read (I need a better screen shot). No _The Color Purple_? > [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > How long can the Whites keep Junior in the dark? Sooner or later he’s going to start asking some tough questions about the status of aunt Marie’s computer problem. He’s not going to suspect anything unless Jesse or Hank and Marie tell him the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/133 "2013-09-02T23:00:32Z")
How great if Walt Jr just said, “Hey,Dad, all my friends at school wanna know if you’re ever gonna cook again. They say this new meth sucks.” ---
**Author:** ![Frazzled](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frazzled/32/3368_2.png) [@Frazzled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frazzled)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/134 "2013-09-02T23:08:32Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > How great if Walt Jr just said, “Hey,Dad, all my friends at school wanna know if you’re ever gonna cook again. They say this new meth sucks.” You know - with all the secrets everybody has been keeping on this show it seems that Walt Jr should have a giant one as well. Could Walt Jr be hiding a drug habit? He doesn’t have the “junkie” look but could he be a functional user? I know very little about Meth but that would be a hell of a twist is Walt found out his son is a user. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/135 "2013-09-02T23:10:54Z")
> [@Frazzled](#): > > You know - with all the secrets everybody has been keeping on this show it seems that Walt Jr should have a giant one as well. Could Walt Jr be hiding a drug habit? He doesn’t have the “junkie” look but could he be a functional user? I know very little about Meth but that would be a hell of a twist is Walt found out his son is a user. He could be dealing a rival product, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/136 "2013-09-02T23:16:24Z")
I don’t think they’re going to spring something like that on us with four episodes left. I do think that Marie’s therapy is going somewhere. Either he could turn to stealing and lying again, as she has when under stress in the past, or she could try to put that knowledge of poisons to use. If so, we know it’s not going to work out like she planned because Walt doesn’t die any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/137 "2013-09-02T23:20:54Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t think they’re going to spring something like that on us with four episodes left. . Yeah I’m mostly kidding/speculating. ---
**Author:** ![Frazzled](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frazzled/32/3368_2.png) [@Frazzled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frazzled)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/138 "2013-09-02T23:26:55Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Yeah I’m mostly kidding/speculating. As am I, though I really do think a twist involving a secret of _some_ sort from Walt Jr would be in order. I also agree that Marie’s Kleptomania is going to come back in some way - it’s too important a character trait to let drop. ---
**Author:** ![Mithras](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Mithras](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mithras)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/139 "2013-09-02T23:33:08Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t think they’re going to spring something like that on us with four episodes left. I do think that Marie’s therapy is going somewhere. Either he could turn to stealing and lying again, as she has when under stress in the past, or she could try to put that knowledge of poisons to use. If so, we know it’s not going to work out like she planned because Walt doesn’t die any time soon. I at first thought that the therapist would misinterpret what Marie was saying as her believing that Walt was molesting children. He would have a duty to report that which would definitely take the show in a weird direction. But there was something that I don’t exactly recall that she said later in the session that seemed to not match up with that at all. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725/140 "2013-09-02T23:37:05Z")
I can imagine Marie doing something desperate that compromises Hank. Or even inadvertently poisoning Skyler. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-12-rabid-dog-9-1-13/667725.md?page=8)