# Breaking Bad 5.13 "To'hajiilee" 9/8/13 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 9, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375 "2013-09-09T01:29:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/181 "2013-09-09T19:55:31Z")
> [@No\_Me\_Ayudes\_Compadre](#): > > If Hank dies no one inside the DEA has any reason to shield him from prosecution. Would anyone be coming after Walt, though, if Hank, Gomez and Jesse were all killed and it couldn’t be connected to him? (Well, actually, come to think of it, Marie would. She’d go on a mad, purple crusade of doom. Maybe she’s the most problematic loose end right now, weird as it sounds. Although I’m not sure exactly what she would be able to do.) ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/182 "2013-09-09T19:55:47Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > We go back to the good old days of movie serial cliffhangers. > > The next episode opens with Hank and Gomez driving away. > > “That was close, wasn’t it buddy?” > > “Yeah, I thought we weren’t going to get out of there.” > > Voila. Problem solved. [Annie Wilkes]“He never got out of the cockadoodie _car_!”[/AW] ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/183 "2013-09-09T20:11:14Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > Who just happens to be buying some yellow spray paint. “Heisenberg” on the wall was in yellow, I keep trying to think of somebody with yellow paint handy. Marie would only use purple paint, so she’s out. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/184 "2013-09-09T20:15:18Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Would anyone be coming after Walt, though, if Hank, Gomez and Jesse were all killed and it couldn’t be connected to him? It would be connected to him. This is too big to cover up and law enforcement is pretty relentless when pursuing someone who kills one of their own. Between Marie and the stuff at Hank’s house, they’d start on Walt’s trail soon and they wouldn’t let up. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/185 "2013-09-09T20:16:15Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Hank puts his gun to Walts head and threatens to kill their money machine if they don’t let him leave. That’s the only way out I can think of. Alternatively Jesse grabs Walts gun and does the same … the deal being they (the Nazi brigade) get Walt (to be kept hidden in lab producing meth) and they (Hank/Jessie/Gomie) get to leave. Somehow actually happening too. A stretch. But not something Hank would offer. Nazi brigade had nothing to lose. Walt in custody is a “loose end” for them. Either under their lock and key or off to Belize. I’d still like to see that the money aint there no more. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/186 "2013-09-09T20:31:00Z")
Since he had his bathroom reading moment, is anything that Hank has done admissible in court? Here’s my guess as to how this all shakes out: They all die. Hank, Marie, Walt Jr, Skylar, even the kids. Walt survives, escapes, somehow grabs $100k from the stash, goes on the lam. He comes back for his $80 million (or whatever.) Gets killed while excavating it, the American Nazy party gets a $80 million donation. … In 10 years they have Congressmen … In 20 years, Senators … And in 25 years, the White House. … 6 years after that, 825 million people are dead worldwide, a tenth of humanity, including 220 million Americans. All thanks to Walter White finding out he had cancer. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/187 "2013-09-09T20:59:27Z")
Walt is killed. Everybody else escapes. The flash-forwards actually show his lost twin brother Joe Lambert, from New Hampshire, who learns of his hitherto unknown brother’s fate and comes to take revenge. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/188 "2013-09-09T21:08:02Z")
When Walt first saw that cloud of dust, I thought it was smoke, and that he’d parked his car over some brush that then ignited. So Walt’s car is on fire, he’s broken his phone, and he’s miles out in the desert. Did something like that happen before? I’m remembering a hot engine igniting some brush, but I don’t know if it was on BB or something else. ---
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/189 "2013-09-09T21:09:56Z")
They got stranded in the desert before when the RV battery died ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/190 "2013-09-09T21:17:09Z")
Could someone explain how the hell the Huell thing worked? They picked him up, put him in a safe house, put another DEA agent there, all off the books? When Hank asks Gomez if the agent babysitting him had any questions, Gomez says that “he knows better than to ask”. Um… OK. 😕 And Huell is too dumb to understand that Hank and Gomez are bluffing, and that he needs to call Saul, and instead just starts spilling the beans, with no lawyer? Really? Smart move, Huell. Walt didn’t have a reason to kill you two seconds ago, now he does: You’re a rat. If anyone should know better than that, you’d think it would be someone who works for Saul Goodman. Then again, maybe Huell is just a blockhead. BTW, so much for Hank’s excuse for not putting Jesse in a safe house, because he’d need to put him in the system to do so, and Walt would know right away. Apparently not the case for Huell. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/191 "2013-09-09T21:31:40Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Could someone explain how the hell the Huell thing worked? They picked him up, put him in a safe house, put another DEA agent there, all off the books? When Hank asks Gomez if the agent babysitting him had any questions, Gomez says that “he knows better than to ask”. Um… OK. 😕 > > And Huell is too dumb to understand that Hank and Gomez are bluffing, and that he needs to call Saul, and instead just starts spilling the beans, with no lawyer? Really? Smart move, Huell. Walt didn’t have a reason to kill you two seconds ago, now he does: You’re a rat. If anyone should know better than that, you’d think it would be someone who works for Saul Goodman. > > Then again, maybe Huell is just a blockhead. > > BTW, so much for Hank’s excuse for not putting Jesse in a safe house, because he’d need to put him in the system to do so, and Walt would know right away. Apparently not the case for Huell. I think we’re supposed to believe that Huell was terrified into submission by the fake photo of dead Jesse. Weak, but not as bad as Walt confessing all his sins over the phone to Jesse. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/192 "2013-09-09T21:33:03Z")
He does not care if Huell or Jesse die for their own sakes, only for the sake of the case. To the degree he needs Jesse as evidence he cares. If Jesse dying produced the evidence (Walt killing him on tape) no problem. Huell was not of importance as a witness compared to flushing out some more solid evidence - the money. Yes we supposed to believe that Huell believes that Saul would quickly give him up and that Walt would blow out Jesse’s brains more than that it was a bluff, a bluff with information that he wouldn’t know how else they’d have. He knows Saul and knows what Walt has done. Not really so stupid a conclusion really. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/193 "2013-09-09T21:35:42Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Could someone explain how the hell the Huell thing worked? They picked him up, put him in a safe house, put another DEA agent there, all off the books? When Hank asks Gomez if the agent babysitting him had any questions, Gomez says that “he knows better than to ask”. Um… OK. 😕 > > And Huell is too dumb to understand that Hank and Gomez are bluffing, and that he needs to call Saul, and instead just starts spilling the beans, with no lawyer? Really? Smart move, Huell. Walt didn’t have a reason to kill you two seconds ago, now he does: You’re a rat. If anyone should know better than that, you’d think it would be someone who works for Saul Goodman. > > Then again, maybe Huell is just a blockhead. > > BTW, so much for Hank’s excuse for not putting Jesse in a safe house, because he’d need to put him in the system to do so, and Walt would know right away. Apparently not the case for Huell. I have a funny feeling Huell isn’t in a real safe house. It’s just an empty apartment somewhere. At one point Hank said something like “Should we go over to the Bravo House”. Did he say that when it was just him and Gomez (indicating the safe house was real) or did he say that when Huell was there? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/194 "2013-09-09T21:40:19Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > And Huell is too dumb to understand that Hank and Gomez are bluffing, and that he needs to call Saul, and instead just starts spilling the beans, with no lawyer? Really? Smart move, Huell. Walt didn’t have a reason to kill you two seconds ago, now he does: You’re a rat. If anyone should know better than that, you’d think it would be someone who works for Saul Goodman. > > Then again, maybe Huell is just a blockhead. > > BTW, so much for Hank’s excuse for not putting Jesse in a safe house, because he’d need to put him in the system to do so, and Walt would know right away. Apparently not the case for Huell. The real reason Hank didn’t want Jesse in a safe house is that he wants to maintain control of his revenge on Walt through extra-legal means. The safe house thing is just an excuse to tell Jesse. Huell had no idea that they had Jesse working with them. They convinced him that Saul was complicit with Walt’s desire to kill Huell. The fact that they knew about Kuby and the relationship between Saul and Jesse, and the fake evidence of Jesse’s death, made the whole thing seem plausible. Look what just had happened between Saul and Jesse. It’s plausible that Saul was part of a plan to tie up loose ends and kill Huell, Jesse, and Kuby. He knows Walt is cold blooded and has means - he knows Walt had the 10 prisoners killed. So Huell isn’t going to run to Saul in that situation. These threads become more perplexing to me as the show goes on. People act as though there’s just no explanation given by the show all the time, where in reality that entire scene was set up in a way to give Huell reason to think that Saul was his enemy. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/195 "2013-09-09T21:43:55Z")
BTW, do we _know_ that Hank was recording the phone call with Jesse? The idea there was just to get him to lead them to the money … they might not have been set up for or expecting a confession along the way. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/196 "2013-09-09T21:52:30Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > I really thought Jesse was going to kick Walter in the nuts instead of spitting in his face. Walter still had his legs spread from the search. Oh, man, I really wish they’d done that. The spitting in the face thing was a bit girly. A nice kick right in the symbol of Walt’s machismo seems much more like a Pinkman thing to do. You should email the idea to Vince Gilligan, and maybe they’ll have time to do a reshoot for the creator’s cut DVD. Either that, or I’ll have to make do with putting it in the alternate version of Breaking Bad in my mind, the same one where the Brock poisoning plot is handled a bit better, Walt explains why he can’t make his own methylamine, and the episode “Dead Freight” is still titled “Dark Territory” (although there’s a good reason why they couldn’t go with that title). ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/197 "2013-09-09T21:53:50Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > BTW, do we _know_ that Hank was recording the phone call with Jesse? The idea there was just to get him to lead them to the money … they might not have been set up for or expecting a confession along the way. They’d have Walt on multiple murders and poisoning a kid with that confession taped. Maybe not enough to nail him as Heisenberg, but quite a bit. The money becomes a moot point if all you want to do is put Walt away, they could have turned around and gone home if it was recorded. But where’s the fun in that? ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/198 "2013-09-09T21:54:17Z")
The problem is that Huell is in custody before they show him fake-dead Jesse, and before they tell him the story about how Walt is out to get him. If they had showed the agents confronting him somewhere with their story about fake-dead Jesse and rampaging Walt, and told him his best chance was to let them take him into protective custody, it would make a little more sense. (I still think he would be acting rather stupidly to believe everything law enforcement tells him, but at least the chronology would make more sense.) ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/199 "2013-09-09T22:11:37Z")
Yeah, that’s not a real safe house and there is no agent watching the place. Huell’s just sitting in an apartment somewhere. At some point he’s gonna want to eat though. Like five minutes before he sat down. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/200 "2013-09-09T22:40:33Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Yeah, that’s not a real safe house and there is no agent watching the place. Huell’s just sitting in an apartment somewhere. At some point he’s gonna want to eat though. Like five minutes before he sat down. Last shot of the series: The “safe” house, and an on-screen legend showing “six months later”. Huell nervously peeks his head out the door, now 200 pounds lighter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375.md?page=11)