# Breaking Bad 5.13 "To'hajiilee" 9/8/13 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 9, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375 "2013-09-09T01:29:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/201 "2013-09-09T22:53:23Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > Hank’s phone call with Marie reminded me of that scene in _Hot Shots!_ where Dead Meat is walking to the plane with his wife–she drops her mirror, a black cat runs by, he goes to sign the papers for their new life insurance policy but his pen won’t work, etc. But it’s also possibly (likely, even) that they were just playing with the trope. Me too! But they kept giving us so many of those moments, I have to think that it’s only to subvert the trope at this point. I fully expected to see a bullet explode through Hank’s head at least 4 times in that scene. > [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > [Annie Wilkes]“He never got out of the cockadoodie _car_!”[/AW] 😃 On reading that scenario, I thought, “I will personally kidnap and hobble Vince Gilligan if that happens!” > [@AuntiePam](#): > > When Walt first saw that cloud of dust, I thought it was smoke, and that he’d parked his car over some brush that then ignited. So Walt’s car is on fire, he’s broken his phone, and he’s miles out in the desert. > > Did something like that happen before? I’m remembering a hot engine igniting some brush, but I don’t know if it was on BB or something else. It happened in the first episode. The fire started, Walt drove the RV out of there hell bent for leather, and got ready to have a final standoff with police . . . who turned out to be fire fighters. So, is it possible Walt will walk headlong into the rain of bullets a la Gus? There are problems with it, from his handcuffs to the fact that the Uncles of Anarchy don’t seem too concerned with his safety, but it would be cool. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/202 "2013-09-09T23:13:33Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > So, is it possible Walt will walk headlong into the rain of bullets a la Gus? There are problems with it, from his handcuffs to the fact that the Uncles of Anarchy don’t seem too concerned with his safety, but it would be cool. Todd is concerned with Walt’s safety, at least, even if the Nazis don’t care that much. Remember, the quality of the product is very important to Lydia. And Lydia makes Todd’s business grow exponentially whenever he thinks about her. So, Walt still alive = more tutoring = better cook = Todd and Lydia sitting in a tree. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/203 "2013-09-09T23:15:35Z")
If Hank didn’t die in the initial salvo, he ain’t dying, end of story (at least in the shootout); his phone call to Marie is just too over-the-top obvious. It makes absolutely no sense, which quite frankly surprises me, because the writers/producers/editors etc have talked on the podcasts with Vince about how they know that viewers have a built-in ‘bullshit’ meter, so they try to make things as real as possible, from the meth production process to how to shoot up heroin. So why would they have this ridiculous shootout where only one guy gets hit? Gomi’s a goner. Sorry bro but you’re toast. I think Walt gave up when he realized Jesse wasn’t just angry, he’d talked to the cops…and not just the cops, HANK. He’s done and he knew it, plus he was hurt at Jesse’s betrayal. It was a good episode, but not one of the better ones of the season, I’m afraid. One of the few that I called pretty much spot on after the first several minutes. Would have been better without the cartoon-esque ending, although I reserve the right to change my mind on this if they somehow pull a proverbial rabbit out of the habit next week. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/204 "2013-09-09T23:20:31Z")
I wonder if the Todd-Lydia thing will go any further, or if it’s just one of those things they threw in there as flavor text. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/205 "2013-09-09T23:23:35Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > And Huell is too dumb to understand that Hank and Gomez are bluffing, and that he needs to call Saul, and instead just starts spilling the beans, with no lawyer? Really? Smart move, Huell. Walt didn’t have a reason to kill you two seconds ago, now he does: You’re a rat. If anyone should know better than that, you’d think it would be someone who works for Saul Goodman. > > Then again, maybe Huell is just a blockhead. Walt isn’t a normal case. Let’s say that the DEA was after some more low level crook, like Jesse was before he started working with Walt. Huell would know not to say anything to the authorities without a lawyer. And he would know that Saul wouldn’t say anything to the DEA either. There wouldn’t be any issue. But Walt isn’t like Saul’s other clients. When we first met Saul, he was in control, but he’s become increasingly disheveled the more he’s gotten involved with Walt. He’s seriously afraid of Walt. Walt is more dangerous and less predictable than most of the clients. It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that Saul would do whatever he could to save himself, and it’s also not unbelievable that Walt would have Jesse killed. I don’t know what they did to get Huell to the safe house, but I know that Huell and Saul aren’t on their usual game since Walt isn’t their usual type of client. > [@DSeid](#): > > BTW, do we _know_ that Hank was recording the phone call with Jesse? The idea there was just to get him to lead them to the money … they might not have been set up for or expecting a confession along the way. I don’t think that’s been confirmed, but it just seems obvious that Hank should be recording all of Walt’s phone calls to get information. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/206 "2013-09-09T23:42:34Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Meh ep. Happy that I managed to call the “cook as our payment” bit but the rest was a bit disappointing. You called that? :dubious: Because I wanted to come gloat about calling that, and I don’t remember anybody concurring! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/207 "2013-09-09T23:48:11Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > You called that? :dubious: Because I wanted to come gloat about calling that, and I don’t remember anybody concurring! 😃 Hey! I called that, like, twice. OK, I didn’t call the details of it, remotely, in any shape or form, but still… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/208 "2013-09-09T23:53:23Z")
I _just_ now realized that Heisenberg (the real-world scientist) work under the Nazis. And Heisenberg (Walter White) will be working for some Nazis. If he had just taken “Feynman” as his street name, this all could have ended with bongo drums instead. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/209 "2013-09-09T23:59:21Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I think in the thread for last week’s episode, people didn’t think that Walt was hiring Todd’s uncle for a hit on Jesse, but this week we found out that’s exactly what he intended. So I think he is pretty much a sadistic heartless monster. Certainly whatever feelings he had for Jesse were gone. I disagree - if all his feelings were gone, he’d likely have killed Jesse himself. Instead, he has the Aryan Nation boys go after him with specific instructions to shoot him painlessly in the back of the head. He even specified that he didn’t want him terrorized, he just wanted it done quickly so he’s alive one minute and dead the next. That’s about the nicest way to have him killed possible. And when he was describing it to the guys, you could tell that it was killing him that he had to do it in the first place, even saying that Jesse was like family. One of the things I noticed on the second broadcast last night was that when Walt told the Aryans not to come, from their perspective, it _totally_ sounded like he was under duress. Just the way there was a long pause and then the way he told them not to come sounded exactly like a guy with a gun to his head. The guys came there thinking they were saving him. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/210 "2013-09-10T00:01:46Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > I wonder if the Todd-Lydia thing will go any further, or if it’s just one of those things they threw in there as flavor text. Do you mean the story or the relationship? If the former, there aren’t enough episodes left. Maaaybe Todd kills her because she rejects his advances. If the latter, no fucking way Lydia shacks up with someone so far below her station. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/211 "2013-09-10T00:05:30Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > You called that? :dubious: Because I wanted to come gloat about calling that, and I don’t remember anybody concurring! 😃 [Yup.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16628593&postcount=97) 09-02-2013, 12:36 PM My whole prediction didn’t happen but that part did! > [@](#): > > “Welll, we’d take out Jesse for you excepting he was going to cook for us and the profit that would bring would be more than you would pay. So how about this - you cook as our payment?” Even a blind squirrel eh? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/212 "2013-09-10T00:24:49Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > I _just_ now realized that Heisenberg (the real-world scientist) work under the Nazis. And Heisenberg (Walter White) will be working for some Nazis. Good one. There is a bit of a debate about whether Heisenberg was an evil genius who masterminded the Nazi atomic bomb project, or a hero who was secretly undermining and sabotaging the research. Maybe Walt has some surprises in store for the Nazi gang and their meth operation. By the way, guess what the real-life Heisenberg died from? Falling cow.OK, not really. It was cancer. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/213 "2013-09-10T01:32:46Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > You called that? :dubious: Because I wanted to come gloat about calling that, and I don’t remember anybody concurring! 😃 > [@DSeid](#): > > [Yup.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16628593&postcount=97) 09-02-2013, 12:36 PM > My whole prediction didn’t happen but that part did! > > > [@](#): > > > > “Welll, we’d take out Jesse for you excepting he was going to cook for us and the profit that would bring would be more than you would pay. So how about this - you cook as our payment?” > > Even a blind squirrel eh? Hah! You only just called it in September?! I called it waaaay back in August, two whole episodes ago!😉 > [@Breaking Bad 5.11 "Confessions" 8/25/13](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-11-confessions-8-25-13/666959/295): > > Unless Walt agrees to come back to get them back on track. > > They may not need to use threats on Walt to get him to help. If Walt is in need of someone to go after Jesse, or just muscle in general (for Hank?/cartel?), he could trade his consulting services for their “extermination” services. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/214 "2013-09-10T02:46:04Z")
Impressive. I doff my pork pie off my bald dome to you! ---
**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/215 "2013-09-10T07:18:42Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > If the latter, no fucking way Lydia shacks up with someone so far below her station. God, I hope _somebody’s_ hitting that. I’d hate to think it’s going to waste. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/216 "2013-09-10T07:31:30Z")
Five guys with automatic weapons aimed at Hank and Gomez, and neither one cut in half? “That Vincent, is a miracle, and it demands to be acknowledged.” I think they are dead, and Jesse tries to escape into the desert. Marie turns in the fake confession in revenge. Walt is a slave of the Nazis. The local tribe finds the money. Walt should have figured it was a set up when Jesse said the van was GPS tracked and Huell spilled the beans. Jesse doesn’t have that kind of complex planning and carrying out ability. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/217 "2013-09-10T07:37:35Z")
There’s a whole scene early on with the Nazis to explain that Walt is convinced that Jesse isn’t a rat. He’s irrational, he’s a broken person, he’s lashing out, but he’s not working with the police. Similarly, Huell has no way of knowing Jesse is working with Hank. We’re using our knowledge that the characters don’t have to say “why isn’t it obvious to them what was happening” Walt knows Jesse is messed up, desperate, and wants to lash out. Walt has been able to talk him back into the fold when he’s done things like this before. Having Jesse threaten to destroy the money (especially since they’ve made a point about Jesse feeling bad about the existence of the blood money at all) is consistent with the sort of situation that Walt has been able to talk Jesse out of. Now he may think it’s a trap in the sense that Jesse is trying to lure him out and murder him, but that’s why he brings a gun and calls in the Nazi backup when he gets out there. He has no idea that Jesse is working with Hank, and the level of trap is that deliberate. Similarly, people have been saying Huell should’ve figured out that it was a setup by Hank, but he has no reason at all to think Jesse is working with Hank. So when Hank knows about Kuby, Jesse’s blowup with Saul, Walt being willing to kill Jesse (and Huell and Kuby), it makes sense. He sees a picture of a dead Jesse, which he has no reason to think is faked. He has good reason to think that the reason Hank knows what he knows is that he has legitimate information about Walt/Sault collaborating to kill loose ends. ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/218 "2013-09-10T07:41:05Z")
Wait, no speculation as to what is going on with the methylamine? My guess is, Uncle Jack and the Nazi Crew figured out how valuable it was, and sold it (or agreed to sell it) to a third party, while figuring Todd could find a way to cook without it. I mean, wasn’t there something odd about the way Todd explained away the lack of blue color to his new sweetie? Totally didn’t pass the smell test\*, AFAIAC. \*and I mean that within the context of the show. That the writers totally knew what they were doing here. ---
**Author:** ![pilot141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e0b2c6/32.png) [@pilot141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pilot141)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/219 "2013-09-10T08:33:01Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Walt knows Jesse is messed up, desperate, and wants to lash out. Walt has been able to talk him back into the fold when he’s done things like this before. Having Jesse threaten to destroy the money (especially since they’ve made a point about Jesse feeling bad about the existence of the blood money at all) is consistent with the sort of situation that Walt has been able to talk Jesse out of. Now he may think it’s a trap in the sense that Jesse is trying to lure him out and murder him, but that’s why he brings a gun and calls in the Nazi backup when he gets out there. He has no idea that Jesse is working with Hank, and the level of trap is that deliberate. Which brings up what you mentioned earlier and I also noticed - for the first time EVER, Jesse calls Walt “Walt” instead of “Mr. White” during the phone call. Jesse has gone into full “Get Walt” mode, like Hank and Marie have as well. When Walt sees Jesse turn up with Hank, he knows that Jesse has ratted him out, in the worst possible way. Walt trying to call off the Nazis was for Hank’s benefit, not Jesse’s. And the Nazis took it just like a 911 operator would - You call for help and then say “Nah, I’m fine…” They are coming anyway. And Walt’s yelling at them to stop would be met with similar indifference. He’s in the back of an SUV, cops are pointing guns…not what you would call a settled situation. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/220 "2013-09-10T11:11:50Z")
> [@pilot141](#): > > Which brings up what you mentioned earlier and I also noticed - for the first time EVER, Jesse calls Walt “Walt” instead of “Mr. White” during the phone call. Jesse has gone into full “Get Walt” mode, like Hank and Marie have as well. When Walt sees Jesse turn up with Hank, he knows that Jesse has ratted him out, in the worst possible way. It’s not the first time ever. He did one other time sarcastically in an early episode. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375.md?page=12)