# Breaking Bad 5.13 "To'hajiilee" 9/8/13 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 9, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375 "2013-09-09T01:29:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/81 "2013-09-09T06:03:15Z")
How the hell did Jesse know that Huell specifically might know something about where the money was? Jesse doesn’t know that Walt had to move the money quickly, he doesn’t know it was all in one spot. Am I missing something or was that just pulled out of nowhere to advance the plot? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/82 "2013-09-09T06:11:53Z")
I’m actually OK with the Nazi gang being graduates from the Stormtrooper school of marksmanship. Sure, it wasn’t really believable, but we’re not exactly being asked to believe in it either. The laws of the Breaking Bad universe allow for a somewhat cartoony approach to violent scenes like this, as we’ve certainly seen earlier on the show as well. It seemed completely appropriate to me. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/83 "2013-09-09T06:23:14Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > I’m actually OK with the Nazi gang being graduates from the Stormtrooper school of marksmanship. Yeah but Hank and Gomez didn’t hit anyone either. If they wanted to create the same result more believably, how about this: Hank shoots first, drops one of the henchmen first go, the Nazi’s are distracted for just long enough for Hank and Gomez to dive behind cover. Shoot out happens as now. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/84 "2013-09-09T06:24:56Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > How the hell did Jesse know that Huell specifically might know something about where the money was? Jesse doesn’t know that Walt had to move the money quickly, he doesn’t know it was all in one spot. Am I missing something or was that just pulled out of nowhere to advance the plot? He figured that Saul would know, but because they couldn’t go after Saul (too smart for that), they decided to go after Saul’s “muscle”. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/85 "2013-09-09T06:30:46Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > He figured that Saul would know, but because they couldn’t go after Saul (too smart for that), they decided to go after Saul’s “muscle”. Yep. Just a fishing expedition, and it paid off. More or less. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/86 "2013-09-09T06:53:08Z")
The gang that couldn’t shoot straight? [![](http://tinypic.com/images/goodbye.jpg) ](http://tinypic.com/images/goodbye.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/87 "2013-09-09T06:55:38Z")
Is there a tvtrope for people dying after being emotional to each other? I was expecting Hank’s head to explode one second after that maudlin call to Marie. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/88 "2013-09-09T07:04:52Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Yeah but Hank and Gomez didn’t hit anyone either. If they wanted to create the same result more believably, how about this: > Hank shoots first, drops one of the henchmen first go, the Nazi’s are distracted for just long enough for Hank and Gomez to dive behind cover. Shoot out happens as now. Yeah, but “believable” isn’t really the point. This is how things happen in this world. When Walt kills a rival meth kingpin, he does it by way of exploding grandpa. When Hank gets attacked by hitmen, he survives by way of magic bullet. When Mike finds himself in a truck that is being turned into swiss cheese, not only does he suffer only a nicked ear, but he then takes out two cartel guys in a scene that has them _fly backwards out of a truck_ when he shoots them with his silenced Glock. It’s somehow only fitting to have a super tense standoff culminate in a big dumb shootout where no one hits anything. There’s real world violence, and there’s Breaking Bad violence, and they overlap only approximately. (Now, I’m not really saying that it’s OK for this show to do things like these, which would be stupid on other shows, because it’s done all ironic or meta-whatever, or what have you. More that it’s OK for this show to do it because… well, I guess because it does it with _style_.) ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/89 "2013-09-09T07:20:16Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > More that it’s OK for this show to do it because… well, I guess because it does it with _style_.) I agree with you. I kept waiting for the twist, but there was nothing stylish about EVERYONE MISSING. I was a lame way to do a cliff hanger, and its not needed, everyone who has watched this far is going to watch the last three episodes. ---
**Author:** ![pilot141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e0b2c6/32.png) [@pilot141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pilot141)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/90 "2013-09-09T09:01:05Z")
Hank is done. He told his wife everything is good and that he loves her. Gone. If Hank is gone, then so is Gomey. Great guy, lots of laughs, but he goes down with his boss. Does Jesse get killed by the skinheads? No, I think it comes down to a gut-check for Walt. Walt ends up killing Jesse himself, then tells the skinheads thanks for the help, but you didn’t do my job so I don’t owe you a cook. The skinheads go crazy, and Walt is on the run from them (who also know who he really is). The M-60 in the flash-forward is for a showdown with Todd’s boys. Speculation over! ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/91 "2013-09-09T09:07:35Z")
I expect Hank to die and Marie to try and kill Walt, per her revenge fantasies she discussed earlier. I gotta believe that was the whole point of that therapy scene. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/92 "2013-09-09T09:20:22Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Ah, the M60 is definitely for the neo-nazis. This cinches it for me. I’m betting Jesse gets away. Yep. And am I the only one disappointed by this? I was hoping for something epic and grandiose in scope. This just seems too small-scale, particularly as it involves characters we barely know (and for me, don’t much care about) So a few questions. 1. How is the cash, in any way, evidence? There’s nothing typing it to Walt (unless they can extract fingerprints?) 2. Why did Walt surrender? I think he’d rather attempt walking back before turning himself in. He went down far too easily. I would have bought it if he HADN’T called off the attack, but since he didn’t, his motives made no sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/93 "2013-09-09T09:29:56Z")
I don’t know for sure but I assume they got Walt’s confessions to several murders recorded, although that is just my hunch. I don’t recall anything in the episode actually saying they did. ---
**Author:** ![pilot141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e0b2c6/32.png) [@pilot141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pilot141)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/94 "2013-09-09T09:36:35Z")
Walt surrendered because he knew he had been duped. Once he figured out that Jesse was NOT at the place where the money was, he knew Jesse was bullshitting him. Therefore, he was still the only one who knew where the money was. Even in custody, he could still get the coordinates to Skyler (via a lottery ticket like was shown). Walt’s ONLY concern now is the money getting to his family. Anything and anyone else in the way will be eliminated. ---
**Author:** ![PeacePlease](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@PeacePlease](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeacePlease)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/95 "2013-09-09T09:47:08Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > So does Todd have the hots for Lydia? > > On a non-plot relevant sidenote, the actor who plays Todd (Jesse Plemons) is quite hot. Ew. I cannot even look at Toddy in the ‘hotness’ way. He’s so disturbed! > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’m imagining that Walt does some fast talking to let Hank live. “Let him go and he promises not to come after. In exchange, I’ll cook for you.” Concur. I absolutely refuse to believe that Hank is dead after this episode. I don’t know why it bothers me (almost as much as the thought of Jesse dead bothers me) but I do believe that Hank and Marie get out of this and have the kids. There has to be a reason that Marie has no kids and seems so close to Sky’s. > [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Ah, the M60 is definitely for the neo-nazis. This cinches it for me. I’m betting Jesse gets away. Again, I really hope so. > [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > I think Jesse really broke Walt’s heart. I actually felt sorry for him. Et tu, Brute? Agreed! Walt still has a heart, even though he’s frickin’ psycho. Is that contrary? Probably but… > [@coremelt](#): > > How the hell did Jesse know that Huell specifically might know something about where the money was? Jesse knows what Huell is capable of i.e. the stealing of the cig x2. I don’t think it’s a stretch to think that Jesse would think that Huell would know what was what. They can throw every cliche at me at this point and this show is still the best ever. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/96 "2013-09-09T09:56:22Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > I don’t know for sure but I assume they got Walt’s confessions to several murders recorded, although that is just my hunch. I don’t recall anything in the episode actually saying they did. Right, but that was after they decided to get him to go after the money since that was apparently “evidence.” > [@pilot141](#): > > Therefore, he was still the only one who knew where the money was. Even in custody, he could still get the coordinates to Skyler (via a lottery ticket like was shown). > > Walt’s ONLY concern now is the money getting to his family. Anything and anyone else in the way will be eliminated. But they knew the money was close by. Either way, it seems extremely doubtful anyone would be able to get it before the DEA/cops did. I still don’t think the surrender made sense given the circumstances based on how we’ve seen Walt act before. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/97 "2013-09-09T11:08:58Z")
The episode would’ve been more intense had they shown Hank being killed. That makes me worry that he wasn’t. This show doesn’t usually do things like that. People speculated that Jesse didn’t really kill Gale and other ridiculous stuff and I’d always wonder what show they were watching - this show doesn’t cheat like that, and it was thematically the entire point of that arc. People were inventing the ambiguity. In this case, there’s ambiguity, and I don’t like it. It thematically makes sense for Hank to die here. He won, for just a bit. He caught Walt, he won the battle, only to have it taken from him, and Walt prevailing but living with the guilt of further hurting those around him. It makes total thematic sense for Hank to die here, his arc is complete, so I don’t know why they didn’t just show it. Jesse called Walt by his first name, not “Mr. White”, for the first time on the phone call while Walt was driving out to the desert. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/98 "2013-09-09T11:47:02Z")
Meh ep. Happy that I managed to call the “cook as our payment” bit but the rest was a bit disappointing. Once Team Hank was there thinking they had him my hope was that it was not going to be the obvious Nazi assault but that somehow the money was already gone - Skyler having somehow already moved it, planning on screwing Walt over or at least taking agency from him. (I just couldn’t come up with a way for her to have physically pulled that off.) Now that would have been a twist. In a world in which so few bullets kill anyone it is possible that even everyone (except maybe Gomie and a Nazi or two) survives this assault with Walt now (or soon) on the run, his money confiscated. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/99 "2013-09-09T12:14:05Z")
> [@pilot141](#): > > Hank is done. He told his wife everything is good and that he loves her. Gone. Precisely. The only thing that would have sealed his doom more would have been if he told Marie he was going to retire from the force. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/100 "2013-09-09T12:16:46Z")
And that being so _obviously_ so is the only reason to think it might not happen that way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375.md?page=6)