# Breaking Bad 5.13 "To'hajiilee" 9/8/13 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 9, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375 "2013-09-09T01:29:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/141 "2013-09-09T15:46:34Z")
Lydia Rodarte-Quayle would love to have Gale Boetticher back if she ever knew him. Cultured, polite, and a persnickety hot beverage connoisseur who can guarantee 96% pure meth. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/142 "2013-09-09T15:48:42Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Marie exposes Walt in a fit of anger to avenge her husband, would explain that. She doesn’t have enough evidence probably to convict Walt, but just her claims would probably be enough to cause big problems for everyone. > > I really like the Hank character, especially over the past 2 seasons, but I honestly don’t see a way that Gilligan can get Hank and Gomez out of the shoot out alive without going in a really silly/unbelievable direction. Walt jumps out of the car waving his arms and yelling for everyone to hold their fire. He says, “WAIT! There’s a way to work this out.” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/143 "2013-09-09T15:55:03Z")
> [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](#): > > yeah, that could work… or Jesse could make a run for it with Walter in the back, just trying to save his own skin. I think Jesse is behind Walt’s car and Hank and Gomez are now taking cover behind the SUV (with Walt inside). ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/144 "2013-09-09T16:02:58Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > I think Hank, Gomez and Jesse are dead. I don’t see both Hank and Jesse dying, because without at least one of them, there’s no show left. If Hank dies, I could see Walt offering Jesse his life in exchange for him (Jesse) doing the last cook. Or I could see Hank wounded enough that Walt is able to escape. But no way do I see both of them being killed. ---
**Author:** ![Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/section_maker_jupe/32/1424_2.png) [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Section_Maker_Jupe)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/145 "2013-09-09T16:04:57Z")
yeah Marley, I was trying to remember the placing of vehicles…perhaps handcuffed Walt rolls out…makes a scramble of it…with Hank and Gomez still shooting or wounded… .Felina!!! (had to look that up, its also a lingerie line):eek: ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/146 "2013-09-09T16:09:08Z")
Anybody else get a chuckle out of the Nazi’s arguing that purity isn’t \*that \*important. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/147 "2013-09-09T16:11:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I think Jesse is behind Walt’s car and Hank and Gomez are now taking cover behind the SUV (with Walt inside). This brings up a question for me. Did the Nazis see Walt in the SUV? I think they did, right? They’re sure expending a lot of ammo straight at their only chance for blue meth. Is “Felina” still going to be the title of the last episodes? I thought it might just be a anagram place holder till the last second. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/148 "2013-09-09T16:13:38Z")
Well if this was going to become truly Shakespearian, Hank gets killed, Marie using her Google info tries to poison Walt, but ends up poisoning Walt Jr. Skyler in a fit of rage attacks Marie and attacks her, they both get killed by Walt rushing home and running them over as their fight spills out into the street. Walt in a fit of grief takes the ricin he has on him. Jesse who was with Walt, who had taken him hostage, runs over to Walt’s dead body and starts beating it up saying over and over, “You bitch, you don’t get to go out on your own! You don’t get to do that!”, final crane shot of Jesse crying over Walt’s dead body. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/149 "2013-09-09T16:17:36Z")
Walt’s cowering for his life right now and I’m not sure he could get out of the SUV if he wanted to. On the one hand you have to expect an unexpected resolution, and on the other hand I am not sure how the quote-unquote good guys can survive this. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/150 "2013-09-09T16:19:00Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > Is “Felina” still going to be the title of the last episodes? I thought it might just be a anagram place holder till the last second. I believe that’s the title. Not only an anagram of Finale but also could be related to the Felina mentioned in the [classic Marty Robbins song, “El Paso”](http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/robbins-marty/el-paso-11889.html). Partial lyrics spoilered, just in case: [spoiler]Felina is strong and I rise where I’ve fallen, Though I am weary I can’t stop to rest. I see the white puff of smoke from the rifle. I feel the bullet go deep in my chest. From out of nowhere Felina has found me, Kissing my cheek as she kneels by my side. Cradled by two loving arms that I’ll die for, One little kiss and Felina, good-bye. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/151 "2013-09-09T16:27:17Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Walt’s cowering for his life right now and I’m not sure he could get out of the SUV if he wanted to. On the one hand you have to expect an unexpected resolution, and on the other hand I am not sure how the quote-unquote good guys can survive this. Walt opens the doors of the SUV and Jesse, Hank and Gomez scramble in. They drive like madmen and get away from the Nazis. When they get to civilization, Walt says to Hank, “now we’re even. Just let me out and give me twenty-four hours.” ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/152 "2013-09-09T16:31:26Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Walt opens the doors of the SUV and Jesse, Hank and Gomez scramble in. They drive like madmen and get away from the Nazis. When they get to civilization, Walt says to Hank, “now we’re even. Just let me out and give me twenty-four hours.” And Hank says, “Yeah, no.” ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/153 "2013-09-09T16:34:07Z")
Not the greatest episode, but still very tense. With the cliffhanger it’s hard to adequately rate it, but I enjoyed it. Aaron Paul was amazing as always. The rage phone call was killer. And his expressions in the desert. Jesse couldn’t quite believe that it was happening, that Mr. White was actually caught. Also I loved Walt Jr.‘s excitement about meeting Saul. I liked that though he’s trapped at his parents’ boring workplace, he did get to meet a celebrity. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The scary thing is that no one else in law enforcement knew about Hank and Gomez’ investigation. So if the neo-Nazis make the bodies disappear, they’re not going to know what happened. And my guess is that the neo-Nazis are going to seize Walt’s money. So that explains the big gun from the flashforward. There’s no reason for the Nazis to know about the money. They don’t know why they drove out there. I think it would be poetic if no one ended up with the money. The only people who know where the money is are Walt, Jesse, Hank, and Gomez. It would be fitting for the money just to be lost to the world, out in the desert. > [@BlackKnight](#): > > Secondly, Walt sure did fall for that setup hook, line, and sinker. I understand that he had no reason to suspect law enforcement involvement with Jesse, but he certainly has good reason to suspect Jesse would lie and set up a trap. (By the way, where did Hank get a giant pile of money to photograph? Empty his 401(k)? The DEA would presumably have access to large piles of cash, but this is clearly not a full-fledged DEA operation. If it was, more than two agents would show up to bust the biggest drug kingpin of the southwest.) It seemed a little too pat - too much an excuse to set up the Gunfight at the Cook Site Corral. > > Thirdly: There are only a few episodes left of the entire show. Just let us know right now whether somebody dies. Gazillions of bullets flying for minutes and maybe one hit? It’s not like the lack of a cliffhanger is going to make us stop watching at this point. If they feel they _must_ have a cliffhanger, they should have had a short dramatic standoff followed by the sounds of gunfire starting immediately as they cut to the credits. Spare us the minute of wasted bullets and improbably safe car interiors. It just seemed kinda cheesy. > > Things I liked about the episode? I liked Walt’s play with Brock. If Jesse had gotten a message from Andrea saying that Walt was there, he would have freaked and probably done something stupid. (Granted, he would have probably immediately yelled for her to kick Mister White out of the house because he’s dangerous, but Walt might be able to convince her that Jesse is drug-addled.) It didn’t work, but it’s a clever play to flush out Jesse. > > The “fake death photo” has actually worked to fool criminals in real life, so I can definitely buy that. Many Dopers’ predictions about Todd’s gang wanting Walt to cook for them were accurate. I kind of wonder what would have happened if Hank and Gomez had produced their badges. Would Uncle Jack knowingly off a couple of DEA agents? Walt specifically said a few episodes ago to Skyler something about if the money’s lost then this has all been for nothing. I could definitely see him panicking and not thinking straight when it comes to his money being threatened. And he knows that Jesse is a wildcard who would do it. It did make me wonder how Hank had enough money for a picture, but I guess he was able to cover up some newspaper or something else with enough money to make it look good, and knew Walt wouldn’t study it for too long. I didn’t see it closely, maybe it was also framed well enough and blurry so it wouldn’t be too obviously fake. The shootout bothered me too, just like many other posters. Especially since we’ve seen the effects of another shootout the Nazis had. In that case there were more men with Declan and more Nazis. After seeing the effects of that shootout, I would think the Nazis would be more effective. But since the show is so great, I can roll with minor issues like this. I did like Walt’s play for Jesse, it was smart, even though it didn’t work. > [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > So… Team Hank followed Walt into the desert by tracing the location of his phone? Is it that easy to do that? I was wondering about that too. It was either by the phone, or Hank slipped another GPS tracking device onto Walt’s car. > [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > 1. How is the cash, in any way, evidence? There’s nothing typing it to Walt (unless they can extract fingerprints?) I’m guessing Hank was planning on testimony from Jesse and Huell about where the money came from. Walt would have no good explanation where it came from; he didn’t make $20 million from gambling. And Walt can’t claim it’s not his, he was the only one who knew where it was, and he led them right to it. > [@Garula](#): > > It’s interesting to me that so many people are focusing on the cliffhanger and ignoring the most interesting dramatic beat of the episode: Walt trying to call off the hit. > > I genuinely did not expect that. Walt cowering behind the rocks, the self-serving play for himself definitely seemed to be stay hidden until the neo-nazis show up and gun everyone down. Given how far he has fallen, how monstrous he’s been, I’m not entirely sure I can get behind him drawing the line there and trying to call off the goons. It seems to be a softening of his character inconsistent with the direction he’s been taking. That was interesting to me too. Walt has refused to have Hank killed before. There’s been times where he could have allowed it to happen, or could have ordered to happen, but he wouldn’t allow his family to be killed, and Hank is part of his family. I would have thought that maybe being trapped out there, tricked by Jesse that this would have pushed him over that line, so it was interesting to see that he’s still not that far gone. But there’s still three more episodes where he could go further. > [@SykoSkotty](#): > > OK, first off - awesome episode. My God, people, who cares about bullet angles and recoils?! Just enjoy the ride! > > Now then…3 pages of responses, and not ONE comment about **BROCK!!!** > > DID YOU SEE THE WAY HE LOOKED AT WALT?? He knows who Walt is - and now I think we know how he poisoned Brock - FRUIT LOOPS!!! I was wondering about Brock. It could have been just typical child shyness. But Brock looked uneasy to me. I don’t think Brock knows that Walt poisoned him, I think he just knows that he’s bad. > [@Mithras](#): > > One of the things I really liked about the phone call was that (I think) they didn’t distort Jesse’s voice to make it sound like it was coming through the phone. It was a very effective technique for increasing the impact of what he was saying. I haven’t ever noticed that being done before. Good point. That did make it more tense. > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I really like the Hank character, especially over the past 2 seasons, but I honestly don’t see a way that Gilligan can get Hank and Gomez out of the shoot out alive without going in a really silly/unbelievable direction. The show is extremely hard to predict though. I wouldn’t bet on them surviving, but the writers could figure out a way to do it. It might be unbelievable, but there have been unbelievable moments in Breaking Bad before that have worked. The only thing I could imagine is if Jesse backed the car up and around and Hank and Gomez were able to jump in. But even that would be unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/154 "2013-09-09T16:38:01Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Walt opens the doors of the SUV and Jesse, Hank and Gomez scramble in. They drive like madmen and get away from the Nazis. When they get to civilization, Walt says to Hank, “now we’re even. Just let me out and give me twenty-four hours.” Walt is in handcuffs. Opening the car door would be awfully tricky. > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Aaron Paul was amazing as always. The rage phone call was killer. And his expressions in the desert. Jesse couldn’t quite believe that it was happening, that Mr. White was actually caught. True. I thought it was cool that they included those reaction shots. And of course that only played up the reversal later: yes, Walt finally got caught, and then… > [@](#): > > Also I loved Walt Jr.‘s excitement about meeting Saul. I liked that though he’s trapped at his parents’ boring workplace, he did get to meet a celebrity. I liked that a lot. Walt and Skyler view Saul as a sleazy annoyance and Junior saw him as a minor local celebrity. And Saul’s line about drunk driving was funny, too. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/155 "2013-09-09T16:45:53Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Walt is in handcuffs. Opening the car door would be awfully tricky. Would he even be able to open the door from the backseat of that car (meaning, is it a legit police-type car with no handles on the inside of the back?) ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/156 "2013-09-09T16:48:35Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Walt jumps out of the car waving his arms and yelling for everyone to hold their fire. He says, “WAIT! There’s a way to work this out.” A good trick with your hands cuffed behind your back. ---
**Author:** ![stoplight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@stoplight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stoplight)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/157 "2013-09-09T16:52:16Z")
what scenario brings us to the flash forward…the house has been seized.so the feds are or were involved. he spent his last bit of money at the diner…his money is gone, His chosen weapon is a military assault type machine gun, same as the neo nazi gang uses so he is matching somebody’s weaponry, he has the ricin so he will poison somebody at a meeting…Lydia? Seems reasonable Hank or Gomez die…they certainly want us to think that Hank dies because of the farewell to Marie…which btw that call made no sense…he was in law enforcement mode, his first call would have been for back up to secure the scene…and btw…why go after Walt the way they did…their first and best move would have been to apprehend him when he exited the scene, not while Walt had the element of surprise, I digress. Near the end of the show the camera zooms in on Walt emptying is service weapon in quick fire mode and we did not see him reload at any point. One of two things, first they would like us to believe the rapid fire was Hank exhausting his options or second which I think is the case, one or two of those rounds catch up to Todd, now they need a cook!! Walt in servitude until somehow he breaks free and he and his machine gun go hunting. Of the unknown variables at play the one I believe to break bad next is Marie. They have showed us her cognitive potential. If Hank dies her chains come off. ---
**Author:** ![Flang\_Dang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e4f/32.png) [@Flang\_Dang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flang_Dang)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/158 "2013-09-09T16:56:12Z")
The money in Jesse’s fake-out pic is Jesse’s, or rather Walt’s. It was his disappear money that Walt had Saul give to him. When Hank puts Jesse in the car at Walt’s house, you see Hank putting that red bag into the car too. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/159 "2013-09-09T17:08:22Z")
> [@stoplight](#): > > …he was in law enforcement mode, his first call would have been for back up to secure the scene…and btw…why go after Walt the way they did…their first and best move would have been to apprehend him when he exited the scene, not while Walt had the element of surprise, I digress. Except they wouldn’t have found out where the money was if they waited until he left. And he would (I imagine) have seen an awaiting road block from miles away, giving him a chance to call in reinforcements. ---
**Author:** ![Garula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ea666f/32.png) [@Garula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garula)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375/160 "2013-09-09T17:09:58Z")
For the sake of making a prediction that hasn’t already been made, I offer this: Next episode will begin with a flashback. Something along the lines of Jesse and Jane talking in the car or Combo getting Jesse the RV. Possibly some sort of Shrader/White gathering from back before the series began. The show has a tendency to start episodes off with very calm moments and I just don’t expect next episode to immediately resume from where this one left off. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-13-tohajiilee-9-8-13/668375.md?page=9)