# Breaking Bad 5.14 "Ozymandias" 9/15/13 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 15, 2013, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893 "2013-09-15T06:43:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/341 "2013-09-16T21:52:53Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > It’s not a ten year old article, in fact the research supports the treatment in 2005 and 2006 > [google - Search](http://www.bing.com/search?q=google&FORM=B8DFLB&PC=B8DF&QS=n) > > It struck me that it would be the type of science that would attract Walt to take a calculated risk. If it didn’t work he’s dead anyway. That link goes to a [bing.com](http://bing.com) result page for a search on the word “google”; at least for me. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/342 "2013-09-16T22:03:26Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > One of my favorite moments was when Walt got back in his car after Jack and co let him go, looked at himself in the rearview mirror, then turned the mirror away. I thought he was turning the mirror to look at the spot where they buried Hank and Gomez. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/343 "2013-09-16T22:13:08Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I thought he was turning the mirror to look at the spot where they buried Hank and Gomez. Damnit - I think you’re right ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/344 "2013-09-16T22:17:22Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > And also a difference between “hey, I know you guys all like this show, but here are 5 reasons I think it’s not actually all that good…” vs “hey, I know you guys all like this show, but you’re wrong it’s the suxxors”. I’ll work on my delivery, and spelling apparently. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/345 "2013-09-16T22:36:57Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > I’ll work on my delivery, and spelling apparently. 😃 Please. You know exactly what you are doing. You are expressing glee at informing the rest of us how much you dislike something we find enjoyable. It has nothing to do with not being allowed to critique the show. It has to do with the fact you are saying things just to point out how stupid you think it is. That’s threadshitting. Trying to make the people enjoying a thread feel stupid for their enjoyment. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/346 "2013-09-16T22:41:43Z")
[QUOTE=Morbo] Worst ending suggestion: Walt from a distance with his M60 guns down Todd, Uncle Jack, Lydia, Jesse, et al, then turns to the camera and smiles and says “I guess you could say I’m…Breaking Bad.” Credits. [/QUOTE] Then dissolve into huge Bollywood dance number with all major characters, living and dead (though the dead have zombie makeup). I’m surprised the Hoover parts salesman would arrange the same pickup location twice; that seems risky for such a cautious soul. Does anybody know what that place is, btw? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/347 "2013-09-16T22:47:20Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Then dissolve into huge Bollywood dance number with all major characters, living and dead (though the dead have zombie makeup). > > I’m surprised the Hoover parts salesman would arrange the same pickup location twice; that seems risky for such a cautious soul. ? Sure, but probably just done for narrative expedience. It tells what is going on without any further explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/348 "2013-09-16T23:10:05Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Then dissolve into huge Bollywood dance number with all major characters, living and dead (though the dead have zombie makeup). > > I’m surprised the Hoover parts salesman would arrange the same pickup location twice; that seems risky for such a cautious soul. > Does anybody know what that place is, btw? Someone linked to it last week; it’s the John B. Robert Dam in Albuquerque. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/349 "2013-09-16T23:21:41Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I like that in this show even the members of a prison gang are not completely evil. They easily could kill Walt as well and take all the money. But they don’t. Yeah, I was actually thinking that Jack might shoot his own gang members after they got the money out of the ground. But no, he is apparently going to divide the loot honestly. (Well, relatively speaking.) ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/350 "2013-09-16T23:24:19Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Please. You know exactly what you are doing. [Looks at quoted posters name] Oh yeah? Well, you need to … climb down…from…off… your _soapbox!_ Yeah, that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![stoplight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@stoplight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stoplight)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/351 "2013-09-16T23:25:24Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Walt has been shown cradling Holly, feeding her, putting her to sleep, etc. many, many times. Sometimes it has been to creepy effect, like when he was holding her and watching Scarface, but he clearly is crazy about her and has been shown holding her much more than was strictly necessary for the plot especially given the way TV babies are often left off as afterthoughts. > > I have seen this question raised in multiple places, and I wonder if any of them are fathers (or parents, period). I have four kids and am a doting father, and it seems very straightforward to me: he could not bear the thought of never seeing her again. Of losing his entire family forever. He certainly could not drag the other two with him, so Holly was the best he could do at that moment. I think he panicked as he realized his family, as the camera panned back, were huddled protectively and united against the one threat in the room, him. The only one who did not have a voice until later was Holly. ---
**Author:** ![stoplight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@stoplight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stoplight)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/352 "2013-09-16T23:28:15Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > I’m pretty sure **stoplight** was quoting someone else there, and that person was talking about Todd, not Walt. Damn formatting issues! poorly attempted on my part to boot :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/353 "2013-09-16T23:32:32Z")
On the subject of the credits being in the middle of the episode rather than right at the beginning, there’s another detail to mention. The credits run until just before Walt buys the truck from the old guy, except for one title card which is shown when we cut to the carwash: “Written by Moira Walley-Beckett”. The carwash customer in the background when that card is shown is Moira Walley-Beckett herself, doing a cameo. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/354 "2013-09-16T23:33:52Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Wait a sec. I love this show, consider it the best ever–but in case I comment in some other thread in the future on a show I don’t like: are we only allowed to say positive comments about TV shows here? > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > And also a difference between “hey, I know you guys all like this show, but here are 5 reasons I think it’s not actually all that good…” vs “hey, I know you guys all like this show, but you’re wrong it’s the suxxors”. Right. It’s the difference between criticism and just dumping on something to be annoying. The distinction is usually pretty obvious. At this point **Gatopescado** seems to be making a game of seeing how slowly he can drag himself toward the correct side of that line. So: **Gatopescado** , I’ve been about as patient as I’m going to be. You need to cut the crap right now. And other posters need to stop arguing with **Gatopescado** about what he’s doing because it’s turning into a hijack. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/355 "2013-09-16T23:39:54Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > On the subject of the credits being in the middle of the episode rather than right at the beginning, there’s another detail to mention. The credits run until just before Walt buys the truck from the old guy, except for one title card which is shown when we cut to the carwash: “Written by Moira Walley-Beckett”. The carwash customer in the background when that card is shown is Moira Walley-Beckett herself, doing a cameo. Very cool. Also, Director of Photography Michael Slovis’ name is shown right over the[shot of Walt and the bullet hole over the forehead](http://i.imgur.com/bCfMpRL.jpg). Almost like he’s signing a shot that he’s particularly proud of. ---
**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/356 "2013-09-16T23:49:28Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Does anybody know what that place is, btw? It’s the John B. Robert Dam on Juan Tabo Blvd. NE, Albuquerque (35°8’20"N 106°30’52"W). If you Google Map it, the aerial view shows a red minivan parked right where Walt is sitting. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/357 "2013-09-16T23:54:26Z")
So has everybody heard the nickname for Todd by now? Meth Damon. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/358 "2013-09-16T23:56:13Z")
I don’t think it’s been mentioned yet, but the pants that blew off the RV in the pilot show back up in this episode. When Walt is rolling the barrel towards the Indian’s house they show up in the foreground, very briefly. Also (from the podcast), when Hank gets shot and Walt falls to the ground, the earth around his head breaks a little bit and a puff of dust comes up. That didn’t just _happen_. It was on purpose and took a complex rig custom made, buried in the dust and triggered by his head hitting it so they could make it happen over and over for each take. They wanted to represent his psyche cracking. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/359 "2013-09-17T00:06:04Z")
I just had a thought about Hank’s line to Walt: “You’re the smartest guy I’ve ever met, but you’re too stupid to know he made up his mind ten minutes ago.” To me, this line is almost a winking nod from Gilligan to the audience about what he did with the ending of the previous episode, and the “did Hank die or not?” arguments that spread among the internet fan base over the last week. Vince is saying “Come on guys, I know you hope it’ll turn out differently but you know I already made up my mind on this.” ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/360 "2013-09-17T01:05:27Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > So has everybody heard the nickname for Todd by now? Meth Damon. You mean, that’s how Matt Damon would look like after using meth 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893.md?page=19)