# Breaking Bad 5.14 "Ozymandias" 9/15/13 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 15, 2013, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893 "2013-09-15T06:43:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/121 "2013-09-16T04:01:44Z")
And what’s he going to do with the ricin? I’m wondering if the Nazis will go to Hank’s house, and if so if they’ll find Marie or any member of the family. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/122 "2013-09-16T04:02:19Z")
When the Nazis dug up the money, I was really hoping they would just find the one barrel (or just the top), open it, empty it into the trunk of a car and leave the other 6. I mean, if you were them, when you opened that first one, would you keep digging or would you just scoop the money out? It would be a lot easier to just pick the money out by hand. Then they wouldn’t have even noticed the rest of them. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/123 "2013-09-16T04:03:06Z")
Earlier in the thread: > [@newcomer](#): > > Why can’t Jesse be the cook? No reason. Two, he can. Looks like they will keep him alive and then Walt will have to come back to close the deal and charge interest. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/124 "2013-09-16T04:04:10Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I’m wondering if the Nazis will go to Hank’s house, and if so if they’ll find Marie or any member of the family. The Nazis have $70 million. They’re going to leave and never come back. What on Jesse’s tape could harm them? It’s not like they aren’t already known criminals. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/125 "2013-09-16T04:06:54Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > Looks like they will keep him alive and then Walt will have to come back to close the deal and charge interest. They don’t need Walt now. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/126 "2013-09-16T04:08:21Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > They don’t need Walt now. Depends on whether they can get a real cook out of Jesse. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/127 "2013-09-16T04:09:29Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > The Nazis have $70 million. They’re going to leave and never come back. What on Jesse’s tape could harm them? It’s not like they aren’t already known criminals. I don’t know how much the show will get into it, but most likely the Nazis will be foolish with the money. Most people would be. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/128 "2013-09-16T04:09:42Z")
I don’t know why the Nazis wouldn’t just leave, but I don’t think it’s obvious they’re gone for good, either. If Todd is just running his own show, using Jesse to get his cooks done, I find it surprising Walt has to roll in with such heavy machinery just to kill Todd. Todd to some degree likes Walt, and is also to a large degree stupid. Walt could probably call Todd up and arrange a meeting on some pretext and kill Todd, if Todd was really running things on himself. Todd’s actions and Walt’s actions in the flash forwards really only make sense if his Aryan Brotherhood uncle and his gang are still in the picture to some degree. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/129 "2013-09-16T04:12:39Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Depends on whether they can get a real cook out of Jesse. To put it another way, they wouldn’t be forcing Jesse to cook for them if they expected to see Walt again. Having stolen $70 million from Walt and killed Hank over Walt’s objections, I think they consider their business concluded. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/130 "2013-09-16T04:13:12Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Todd’s actions and Walt’s actions in the flash forwards really only make sense if his Aryan Brotherhood uncle and his gang are still in the picture to some degree. True. Walt has to have a really good reason to come back though. Revenge probably isn’t good enough. His family must somehow be threatened. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/131 "2013-09-16T04:14:23Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Depends on whether they can get a real cook out of Jesse. Jesse still knows how to cook. He did that great cook for the Mexicans all on his own. He’ll certainly do better than Todd. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/132 "2013-09-16T04:18:16Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I do wonder why they’re even going to bother with meth cooking now, $68-70m split up among the relatively small Nazi gang crew and I don’t see why any of them are doing jack again for the rest of their lives. Jack and his gang are in Mexico smoking fat cigars now. They don’t give a shit anymore, they’re rich. Todd, on the other hand, has something more (and more ominous) in him, and I don’t think it’s all about Lydia. I’m wondering if the chance to be the greatest meth kingpin in the Southwest is a bit like the One Ring. It whispers to you “you can be the King”, and if you’re receptive to it, it will change you. Gus had it, then Walt, and now, somehow, it has fallen into Todd’s lap. Of course, everyone who has it ends up overextending their luck and flying too close to the sun. This won’t end well for Todd either. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/133 "2013-09-16T04:18:18Z")
> [@Bumbershoot](#): > > I noticed that it was the right side of Jesse’s face that was fucked up this time. Every other time he got the shit beat out of him, it was the left side of his face that took the abuse. Don’t know why I noticed that. Interesting symbolism. Jessie is getting beat up on/by both sides, literally. Hank, the law, beats the left side of his face and Todd, the criminal, beats the right side of his face. Jessie is a victim of both sides of the law. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/134 "2013-09-16T04:20:18Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Jesse still knows how to cook. He did that great cook for the Mexicans all on his own. He’ll certainly do better than Todd. He’s got the skills, but the motivation seems unclear. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/135 "2013-09-16T04:23:11Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > He’s got the skills, but the motivation seems unclear. The picture of Andrea and Brock. That was a pretty clear message saying what will happen if he doesn’t cook. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/136 "2013-09-16T04:23:40Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > He’s got the skills, but the motivation seems unclear. His motivation is that if he doesn’t do it, they’ll kill Andrea and Brock. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/137 "2013-09-16T04:27:48Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Jack and his gang are in Mexico smoking fat cigars now. They don’t give a shit anymore, they’re rich. Todd, on the other hand, has something more (and more ominous) in him, and I don’t think it’s all about Lydia. > > I’m wondering if the chance to be the greatest meth kingpin in the Southwest is a bit like the One Ring. It whispers to you “you can be the King”, and if you’re receptive to it, it will change you. Gus had it, then Walt, and now, somehow, it has fallen into Todd’s lap. Of course, everyone who has it ends up overextending their luck and flying too close to the sun. This won’t end well for Todd either. Everyone keeps saying that, but it doesn’t make sense given the flash forward that Todd is by himself. Are we to believe Todd, who is mostly stupid and inept, has somehow assembled his own gang of militants that Walter has to fight with? The most reasonable conclusion is for some reason the Aryan Brotherhood guys are still in the picture. Otherwise there is no reason for Walt to have some final showdown. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/138 "2013-09-16T04:30:23Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > The most reasonable conclusion is for some reason the Aryan Brotherhood guys are still in the picture. Otherwise there is no reason for Walt to have some final showdown. Yeah, could be. Maybe the One Ring has spoken to them, too. If I were them, though, I’d be outta there. ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/139 "2013-09-16T04:33:20Z")
Great episode. Obviously the last two standing will be Jesse and Walt on what terms remains to be seen. Anyone else notice reflection of the camera in the window of the car when Sklyer and junior pulled up to the house behind Walt’s old truck and opened the door ? ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893/140 "2013-09-16T04:35:36Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Everyone keeps saying that, but it doesn’t make sense given the flash forward that Todd is by himself. Are we to believe Todd, who is mostly stupid and inept, has somehow assembled his own gang of militants that Walter has to fight with? > > The most reasonable conclusion is for some reason the Aryan Brotherhood guys are still in the picture. Otherwise there is no reason for Walt to have some final showdown. I think you’re assuming Walt bought the big gun for some big showdown. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s for some totally out-of-left-field purpose. Maybe he’ll never even shoot it. Maybe he’s gonna plant it on someone or…oh I don’t know. But I’ll bet it’s not for some obvious purpose. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-14-ozymandias-9-15-13/668893.md?page=8)