# Breaking Bad 5.15 "Granite State" 9/22/13 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 22, 2013, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429 "2013-09-22T09:43:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/421 "2013-09-25T20:54:17Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > That must be some tense cooking sessions, though. And I can’t imagine the Andrea incident makes the water cooler chit chat any less awkward. "Soooo…goin’ anywhere this weekend? Oh, right. Sorry. Any luck on the girlfriend front…damn." ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/422 "2013-09-25T20:57:20Z")
> [@grude](#): > > How do the police/DEA even know about Walt’s activities? What evidence do they really have? Just what Marie and Skyler have told them? They have no evidence but have seized the White house, even though Saul doubted they would be able to? > > They have evidence Walt kidnapped Holly, and the recorded confession Walt left is very vague, he could have been ranting about anything including the car wash. > > They have no physical evidence, no money, no meth, no guns, no blood etc. Actually, vacuum guy said it was the bank that seized the house, not the DEA. I think you’re right about the physical evidence. I don’t think we know, for sure, what Skyler has said. Obviously Marie would have told them everything she knows. They’ve got the recorded confession. At least some circumstantial evidence: Hank and Gomez disappearing at the same time as Hank’s call to Marie, saying they’d got him, for example. Also the fact that Walt himself has fled. Enough to issue warrants. Since they don’t have Walt (and he’s dying of cancer) that’s all that matters right now. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/423 "2013-09-25T20:58:26Z")
> [@SuperNelson](#): > > I wonder if Flynn will ever figure out that at one point early on, he was unwittingly helping Walt launder money through the donations website. Perhaps. I’ll bet that Flynn also now realizes how his father paid for that cool car he bought him. ---
**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/424 "2013-09-25T20:59:11Z")
> [@SuperNelson](#): > > I wonder if Flynn will ever figure out that at one point early on, he was unwittingly helping Walt launder money through the donations website. I hope he winds up in Los Lunas married to Huell. It would serve the little beer-pimping shit right. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/425 "2013-09-25T21:01:44Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Between Hank and Gomez going missing, the evidence in Hank’s garage Wait, the Nazis raided Hank’s house but didn’t clean out the garage? Did we see that? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/426 "2013-09-25T21:02:37Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Hank’s garage is filled with all kinds of evidence, but even if it wasn’t they would have plenty to go on. The Aryan Brotherhood had Jesse’s recorded confession, so they may also have all of those files from Hank’s garage. I hope those weren’t the only copies. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/427 "2013-09-25T21:08:33Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > That must be some tense cooking sessions, though. And I can’t imagine the Andrea incident makes the water cooler chit chat any less awkward. Todd wouldn’t notice the tension or awkwardness. > [@CarnalK](#): > > Wait, the Nazis raided Hank’s house but didn’t clean out the garage? Did we see that? That’s a fair point, but people at the DEA would know what files Hank had requested. I think we only saw the wrecked living room but they probably weren’t gentle with the rest of the house. That’s not their style. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/428 "2013-09-25T21:13:34Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The Aryan Brotherhood had Jesse’s recorded confession, so they may also have all of those files from Hank’s garage. I hope those weren’t the only copies. The boxes in Hank’s garage were all labelled “COPY”, for what it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/429 "2013-09-25T21:18:36Z")
That’s good, but Jesse’s confession probably wasn’t copied, so the DEA doesn’t have that. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/430 "2013-09-25T21:20:42Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Between Hank and Gomez going missing, the evidence in Hank’s garage, Marie and Skyler’s knowledge, the fight at the White home and Walt’s phone call, the DEA knows basically everything at this point. It’s implied that this was a national news story, and if the whole tale wasn’t out it would not be getting that kind of attention. The one thing the government probably doesn’t know is who is handling the Blue Sky meth now. And I don’t think they would know about Madrigal or there would have been an effort to shut down the Czech pipeline… Not to mention Huell singing like a canary. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/431 "2013-09-25T21:23:01Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > The boxes in Hank’s garage were all labelled “COPY”, for what it’s worth. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That’s good, but Jesse’s confession probably wasn’t copied, so the DEA doesn’t have that. They can get the broad outlines without Jesse’s confession, and now they’ll have a task force on the case instead of just Hank. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/432 "2013-09-25T22:04:53Z")
A terrific Easter Egg that no one has mentioned is that Bob Odenkirk is in the cast of the new Alexander Payne film **Nebraska** , which was a prize-winner at Cannes this past spring. It’s a wonderful film (Payne’s best, IMHO) and Odenkirk is good in it, so I liked the playful reference. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/433 "2013-09-25T22:56:05Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Your missing the point. We know that Flynn and Skyler won’t accept the boxes of money Walter wants to send to them, direct blood money. However, if Walt can somehow retrieve what he believes is his rightful share of GM by whatever means necessary, including blackmail, it doesn’t matter, the family will be the benefactors of GM stock which is a legitimate company. Skyler was more than willing to take the avails of any help from GM for Walt’s medical bills, so it would be more than reasonable for the children to accept an inheritance through GM and not Walt directly. We know that Flynn won’t take the money (an 18 year old kid with no bills). Skyler, on the other hand, did take it. Unless I missed something, she’d be happy to get it back, if she could. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/434 "2013-09-25T23:04:27Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Also: the government is investigating Skyler and all of a sudden a company with links to Walt just gives the family a few million dollars? That wouldn’t work for a second. Once Walt is dead - and they know he’s dead - they will lose interest in Skyler. They’ve got her now, because she a link, and she’s leverage. But I think their interest in Sky is likely to wane, once they’ve seen Walt’s body. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/435 "2013-09-25T23:09:25Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > A terrific Easter Egg that no one has mentioned is that Bob Odenkirk is in the cast of the new Alexander Payne film **Nebraska** , which was a prize-winner at Cannes this past spring. Very cool. Does he play the manager of a Cinnabon, by any chance? ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/436 "2013-09-25T23:40:54Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Very cool. Does he play the manager of a Cinnabon, by any chance? Definitely not. He plays a local news anchor and his brother (Will Forte) works in a stereo store. Bruce Dern (Best Actor at Cannes) is their father. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/437 "2013-09-26T00:00:02Z")
> [@Shark\_Sandwich](#): > > Walt was obviously interested in Gretchen back in college when she was his chemistry assistant, and Elliot was one of Walt’s closest friends. In season one, when she and Walt are talking about the chemical make up of a human body, Gretchen posits that the missing 1% could be “the soul.” Walt leans in as if to kiss her and says, “the soul? There’s nothing but chemistry here.” > > The scene never shows a kiss, but it’s implied that there’s a mutual attraction. My bet is next week’s episode is going to flash back to that and reinforce talk about “the soul,” and Gretchen is going to spurn Walt because of her interest in Elliot. Walt’s going to apologize and back down, but in his mind Gretchen denied him. She chose Elliot over Walt, which may be an underlying reason for leaving Gray Matter. I thought it had been made clear that Walt and Gretchen subsequently became an actual couple, but then _he_ broke up with _her_ after (during) a visit to her parents’ house. Or was I just reading that between the lines? > [@LinusK](#): > > We know that Flynn won’t take the money (an 18 year old kid with no bills). Skyler, on the other hand, did take it. Unless I missed something, she’d be happy to get it back, if she could. It’s not spelled out explicitly, but I would argue that you did miss it: that when Skyler was persuaded by Marie to come clean to her son, and then he said she had been just as bad as Walt, she flipped to wanting to wash her hands of all the criminality to whatever degree possible. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/438 "2013-09-26T00:04:52Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > Once Walt is dead - and they know he’s dead - they will lose interest in Skyler. They’ve got her now, because she a link, and she’s leverage. But I think their interest in Sky is likely to wane, once they’ve seen Walt’s body. She’s not leverage. She’s just the biggest fish they have. I think that’s a pretty accurate rendering of what the government usually does in these cases: if they can’t get the person responsible, they’ll hit the next-most-responsible person with everything they have. She’s in the same situation if Walt is dead. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/439 "2013-09-26T00:16:38Z")
Not too mention there are people who will want to see justice done- and punishing Skyler would fit the bill. Gomies family, Hank’s family (his own parents etc), Jesse’s family and the DEA who worked with Hank and Gomie. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/440 "2013-09-26T01:00:30Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > A terrific Easter Egg that no one has mentioned is that Bob Odenkirk is in the cast of the new Alexander Payne film **Nebraska** , which was a prize-winner at Cannes this past spring. Not written by Payne. Is that a first? Can’t wait for this (if it’s better than Election…). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429.md?page=23)