# Breaking Bad 5.15 "Granite State" 9/22/13 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 22, 2013, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429 "2013-09-22T09:43:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/61 "2013-09-23T01:48:19Z")
awww, that really sucked. They did such a good job with Andrea as a character. Put her in just enough but never said “hey, the audience really likes Andrea and Brock, let’s make them regulars”. > [@5\_time\_champ](#): > > I am not sure that was necessary. ☹ Oh, but it is, because they now they can force him to cook by threatening to kill Brock. A few minutes ago he’d rather die then cook, I guarantee he’d rather cook then see Brock die. ---
**Author:** ![Bumbershoot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bumbershoot/32/3428_2.png) [@Bumbershoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bumbershoot)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/62 "2013-09-23T01:49:24Z")
Todd doesn’t put a lock on the cage? Andrea opens the door? We’re stretching it here. ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/63 "2013-09-23T01:51:04Z")
I think we can safely say now that Todd is a psychopath, sociopath or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/64 "2013-09-23T01:51:08Z")
So now Walt gets to live like Bin Laden and put on his Heisenberg hat to take a walk down the No Trespassing sign - which he can’t bring himself to cross. ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/65 "2013-09-23T01:55:38Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > awww, that really sucked. They did such a good job with Andrea as a character. Put her in just enough but never said “hey, the audience really likes Andrea and Brock, let’s make them regulars”. > > Oh, but it is, because they now they can force him to cook by threatening to kill Brock. A few minutes ago he’d rather die then cook, I guarantee he’d rather cook then see Brock die. maybe necessary for the plot, but not for me. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/66 "2013-09-23T02:10:27Z")
Dimple pinch? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/67 "2013-09-23T02:16:25Z")
So is the big gun so that he can go after the people at Gray Matter? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/68 "2013-09-23T02:17:33Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So is the big gun so that he can go after the people at Gray Matter? He looked tempted, but that seems beneath him. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/69 "2013-09-23T02:21:18Z")
Well, I thought that was a great episode. The only part I could have done without was when Todd & Crew broke into the White House. I want to say it had nothing to do with anything, but I’m guessing it’s going to show back up next week, I doubt that they’re going to leave that alone. Also, I wonder if they could have found a better way to make Walt go back to ABQ. Rubbing his nose in the Grey Matter thing seemed a little forced. It worked, but was just so perfectly timed. Anyways, I know I’m kind of in the minority and I know (or I think) it’s not going to turn out this way, but I still want Walt to win, whatever that means. I know he’s the bad guy in all of this, but I still wanted him to scoop up his family last week and have them willingly go with him and drive off into the sunset or this week for him to just finally ‘let it go’ and leave it all behind him…or any of the other 80 times when he could have just stopped and been done with it all and been way ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/70 "2013-09-23T02:23:00Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So is the big gun so that he can go after the people at Gray Matter? I think he may want to practice on them before he goes after the Naizs. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/71 "2013-09-23T02:32:46Z")
Okay, I can believe Nazis stealing $70 million in oil drums and a chicken place being a front for a meth empire that was stolen by a high school chemistry teacher, but a pay phone? No way. Did Vacuum Cleaner Guy hide Walt in 1992? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/72 "2013-09-23T02:34:59Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Dimple pinch? [Fairly decent mid-level scotch](http://www.whisky.com/brands/dimplepinch_brand.html) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/73 "2013-09-23T02:36:52Z")
I don’t think Walt is going back to deal with Gray Matter. I think that was just the catalyst that made him decide to leave now (just ahead of the DEA, of course) and do something other than turn himself in. Right before that he heard that the blue meth was still out there, so maybe that’s significant after all. There was a lot going on in that last 10 minutes or so: I think maybe Walt saw he’d done wrong and realized the futility of the excuses he keeps making. He saw, maybe, that he wiped out the good part of himself and it’s so bad it’s even affecting work he did long before he got into the meth trade. And his family seems worse off than ever. Is he going to go to all this trouble just to deliver money? That seems unlikely. Killing off the Aryan Brotherhood seems downright implausible. Did anyone notice that a clip from The X Files played right before the Charlie Rose interview? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/74 "2013-09-23T02:37:34Z")
Lydia’s not exactly a Master Spy, is she? I wondered if Walt had done in the bartender at first (since he’s nowhere to be found), but I’m guessing the C-note tip is an indication he didn’t. I love the irony of a man living in subsistence level poverty in a shack with a stove and a barrel containing more than $10 million, and who made $80 million so his family would have no financial worries and now they’re penniless. I expected Skyler to pick up the baby and walk straight out the door to the cops; I would have, while they could still catch the Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/75 "2013-09-23T02:40:00Z")
Well, the last episode looks to be pretty well anti-climactic. The M 60 is for the Aryan brotherhood. Jesse saves Walt in the shootout with the Aryan Brotherhood, but dies himself. Walt will make whatever happened with Gretchen and Grey Matter public, which will doom the Schwartzs, both personally and what is left of Grey Matter. Walt will implicate Lydia with the Feds. That won’t be too difficult. Walt then takes the ricin capsule, surrenders to the police, and dies in agony in jail. But then, I have been wrong before. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/76 "2013-09-23T02:41:30Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Lydia’s not exactly a Master Spy, is she? No. She’s bad at this, and so is Todd. > [@](#): > > I love the irony of a man living in subsistence level poverty in a shack with a stove and a barrel containing more than $10 million, and who made $80 million so his family would have no financial worries and now they’re penniless. With no way to get the money to his family - Vacuum Guy pointed out the existential uselessness of even promising to deliver the money - and so desperate for companionship he’ll give away $10,000 for an hour of company. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/77 "2013-09-23T02:43:51Z")
Hoover Man (Robert Forster- do we know the character’s name?) is amazingly scrupulous. Half the people on the show that Walt met through Saul would have capped Walt for a fraction of what’s in that barrel. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/78 "2013-09-23T02:45:28Z")
The only thing I didn’t buy was Jesse getting out of his cage. I’m OK with him picking the locks, and Todd not bothering with a padlock. However, Rambo might be able to hang by one arm and generate enough force to flip a steel door through more than 90 degrees. Jesse, after being beaten up? Not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/79 "2013-09-23T02:45:28Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I expected Skyler to pick up the baby and walk straight out the door to the cops; I would have, while they could still catch the Nazis. 4 guys in your daughter’s bedroom that you didn’t expect to be there. They’re likely armed. You know they’re involved with Walt. You have NO idea if they’re his friends or if they’re trying to kill him. How many steps towards the door do you think you get before they shoot you. Maybe they’re bluffing and they’ll run as soon as you grab the baby and head for the door. Maybe Todd puts a bullet in your forehead as soon as he can tell you’re even trying to formulate that plan. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429/80 "2013-09-23T02:47:24Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > The only thing I didn’t buy was Jesse getting out of his cage. I’m OK with him picking the locks, and Todd not bothering with a padlock. However, Rambo might be able to hang by one arm and generate enough force to flip a steel door through more than 90 degrees. > > Jesse, after being beaten up? Not so much. It looked like he’d had days or even a week to heal - the bruising on his face was gone and all you could see (ugh) was a bunch of cuts. Still, that cage was badly designed. It’s not much of a cage if someone inside can open it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-15-granite-state-9-22-13/669429.md?page=5)