# Breaking Bad 5.16 "Felina" 9/29/13 SERIES FINALE **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 24, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591 "2013-09-24T17:31:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/281 "2013-09-30T05:56:11Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > all series long we were heading towards a Walt / Jesse conflict and when we get one its just meh and over in seconds. They should have swapped the order around, had Hank wipe out the Nazi’s in Ozymandias and have Walt’s final conflict with Hank tonight. That would have made for a completely different ending, though: if Hank had killed the Nazis Walt wouldn’t have been devastated and his family life wouldn’t have crumbled around him. Nothing in Ozymandias would have played out the same way, nevermind what came after. And they never really built toward a Walt vs. Jesse climax as such. Jesse was never in control at the end until he got free and decided not to kill Walt. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/282 "2013-09-30T05:57:31Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > The only off note was spelling out the ricin poisoning to the slower viewers. The coffehouse scene with Lydia asking for more Stevia and then the camera focusing on it being poured into the cup was practically sledgehammer obvious compared to Jesse’s realization that Walt poisoned Brock because Huell lifted the ricin from him. > > To then add actual exposition explaining it later in the episode turned it from comparatively unsubtle to reminiscent of the Dexter parodies of that Jesse-Huell reveal. At least they didn’t have Walt spell out to her that there is no cure for ricin poisoning. I thought the same thing, but then realized it was necessary for Jesse to know that Walt took care of her also. Jesse now knows that he’s completely in the clear. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/283 "2013-09-30T05:59:27Z")
Just [one Walt](http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/4779/x507.jpg) in the reflection this time. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/284 "2013-09-30T06:06:06Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Heck, they shoulda just gone with [Dylan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Cu3GT6FXpOs#t=58). > > _You must leave now, take what you need, you think will last > But whatever you wish to keep, you better grab it fast > Yonder stands your orphan with his gun > Crying like a fire in the sun > Look out the saints are comin’ through > And it’s all over now, Baby Blue_ _The vagabond who’s rapping at your door Is standing in the clothes that you once wore Strike another match, go start anew And it’s all over now, Baby Blue_ ---
**Author:** ![Breen11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c0e974/32.png) [@Breen11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Breen11)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/285 "2013-09-30T06:06:44Z")
I liked the ending somewhat. I really like what Walt had setup for Elliott and Gretchen. Also the way he scared them. “The countdown.” “Hiring 2 of the best hitman West of the Mississippi.” & it turns out to be Skinny Pete and Badger with laser pointers. Thats was great. Im glad Jesse didnt kill Walt & glad to see that Jesse got to make it out alive. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/286 "2013-09-30T06:12:16Z")
Jesse made it out, but not exactly alive. ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/287 "2013-09-30T06:22:07Z")
Did I miss anything significant at the beginning? My clock was off. Walt was in a snow-covererd car with red and blue lights flashing around when I tuned in. ---
**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/288 "2013-09-30T06:22:19Z")
From the wiki article on _Lydia the Tattooed Lady_— As lyricist Harburg explains, the final stanza originally contained the lyrics “When she stands, the world gets lit’ler. When she sits, she sits on Hitler”; the lines were removed because the studio feared the song would sound too dated. The line that replaced it begins “Grover Whalen unveilin’ the Trylon” which seems far more dated today than the reference to Hitler. On some subsequent radio appearances, Groucho sang the song in its entirety. Feinstein’s recording omits a number of other lines, but restores the “Hitler” couplet, while Morris’s is essentially as Groucho sang it in At the Circus. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/289 "2013-09-30T06:30:56Z")
[Weiss](http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8127/9gnq.jpg) (that’s “White” for you non-germanophones) pressure gauge. Feel free to speculate about why it’s at 86. But this [other one](http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img4/161/p85i.jpg&sa=0) is at zero, so I suppose we’re good. BTW, I loved Todd’s new [ringtone](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4zRe_wvJw8) for Lydia. Do you think there’s anything more to “the tattooed lady”? Laura Fraser seems to [think so](http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2013/09/the-breaking-bad-gqa-laura-fraser-on-the-story-behind-lydias-insanity.html): > [@](#): > > She has, like, a neo-Nazi tattoo on her ass. Edit: Also, what \*\*Washoe \*\*said. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/290 "2013-09-30T06:32:03Z")
86 = over/done/finished ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/291 "2013-09-30T06:35:07Z")
So if Walt didn’t catch a random ricochet so he could bleed out dramatically what would he have done? Shot himself as the police arrived? Guess Jesse is off to Alaska now. ---
**Author:** ![fusoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@fusoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fusoya)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/292 "2013-09-30T06:37:40Z")
I guess I’m the only one who didn’t buy Walt being able to get into Skyler’s new condo without being seen? Especially since the police had people staged right in front of Marie’s house? I would think that as soon as the DEA got wind that Walt was back in town, that they would plant cops right on her doorstep. Good ending, but felt like it lacked something. Most of it was also very predictable, but probably because I spent so much time reading predictions. The one thing I really wanted was a Walt/Jesse standoff at the end, and that was delivered, so I’m happy. Would have also loved to have a post-credits bumper with Huell still sitting in the safe house. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/293 "2013-09-30T06:39:59Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > So if Walt didn’t catch a random ricochet so he could bleed out dramatically what would he have done? Shot himself as the police arrived? That would have been better, I think. It would have been nice to see him get that right, since he made such a mess of it in the pilot. Though, it would have been a heck of a lot darker, I suppose. Alternate DVD ending, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![PeacePlease](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@PeacePlease](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeacePlease)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/294 "2013-09-30T06:58:27Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > My expectations were probably too high (finales are usually far from the best episodes of their respective shows). It was still _good_, but right now I’m still processing how good. (I like to think that Elliot and Gretchen end up fighting about whether they should follow Walt’s plan, and eventually it drives a deep rift between them. It would be one more tendril of Heisenberg’s legacy of destroying those he interacts with.)… > > The ricin in the tea was sorta meh. It seemed like the entire Internet except for me thought that’s what was going to happen, and it happened, and it makes sense. But it seemed so obvious that it would happen that I was expecting something different. > > It was remarkably satisfying to see Jesse strangle Todd with his chains… > > The best moment of all, I think, was Jack trying to make a deal. Walt was long past giving a damn about the money. It was never really about the money for Walt anyway - it was always about his _legacy_. He cared about the money, sure, but only to the extent that it was a symbol of his achievement and brilliance. > > I was unsure about the very ending, until it clicked: The cowboy came back for Felina and took a bullet. I had been thinking that Felina, the cowboy’s true love, was Skyler. I think it’s safe to say that Walt _does_ love her. However, his true love was his sweet baby blue. That’s his Felina. That’s who he had to come back to see, regardless of the consequences. And he got to caress the sweet vessel of her creation one final time before he died. Absolutely perfectly stated, **BlackKnight** except I have to say, I thought it was oddly predictable but f\*ckin’ brilliant. As a stupid I-saw-the-whole-thing LOST viewer, thank you, Vince, for giving us an oddly peaceful and happy ending. Best show EVER on television. ---
**Author:** ![PeacePlease](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@PeacePlease](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeacePlease)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/295 "2013-09-30T07:01:07Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > 2)Was the gas station that Walt used the phone at the same one that Jesse tanked up the RV at? When he was filling up I had this feeling that it was and that somehow that’s what would be the downfall of him. It wasn’t, but I still wonder if it was the same place. Someone has probably already answered you, but, no. It was different. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/296 "2013-09-30T07:16:45Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > So if Walt didn’t catch a random ricochet so he could bleed out dramatically what would he have done? Shot himself as the police arrived? He did shoot himself. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/297 "2013-09-30T07:30:31Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > There were lots and lots of moments like that throughout the series, really. Moments when Tuco or Gus should’ve killed Walt, or when the Nazis should’ve killed Jesse a few episodes ago or on and on. It wasn’t all that believable, but it’s drama. The Nazis needed Jesse to make the blue meth. As for them not just blowing away Walt, I can understand why that’s surprising to us, who’ve seen Walt turn the tables on Tuco and others, but that’s not how “Uncle Jack” viewed Walt. I think he always saw Walt as a “civilian” who constantly needed Jack and his boys to save him. From his POV, during that final confrontation, why, when he’s sitting in a room with a bunch of heavily armed men loyal to him should he be worried about this unarmed man dying of cancer whom his idiot nephew for some idiotic reason idolized. He was done in by his ego, lack of imagination and somewhat understandable underestimation of Walt. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/298 "2013-09-30T07:31:50Z")
One interesting symmetry, perhaps another sign of Walt’s realization of that his decisions were primarily self-gratifying, is that now Walt Jr. will live off of the charity of the Schwartz’s (or at least it will seem that way) - something that Walt himself refused to do early on when it would have saved so much pain and suffering. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/299 "2013-09-30T07:38:01Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I thought the same thing, but then realized it was necessary for Jesse to know that Walt took care of her also. Jesse now knows that he’s completely in the clear. That’s a fair point. Though I think the reminder a few posts up is what ultimately makes that exposition worth it: The most awesome ringtone Todd had for Lydia. ---
**Author:** ![by-tor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/by-tor/32/266_2.png) [@by-tor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/by-tor)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591/300 "2013-09-30T08:07:34Z")
As someone said, Jesse’s confession is more than likely still at the clubhouse. Also, his fingerprints are all over that chain. Jesse drove away in an El Camino, the same car that he wanted to buy at the tow-truck lot but did not have enough money for at the time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-16-felina-9-29-13-series-finale/669591.md?page=16)