# Breaking Bad 5.8 "Gliding Over All" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 3, 2012, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506 "2012-09-03T01:55:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/281 "2012-09-05T11:15:28Z")
> [@Luk3112](#): > > Didn’t jesse say ‘I heard what you did’ or something when Walt arrives at his house, or is that to do with something else? Jesse was talking about the jail massacre. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/282 "2012-09-05T11:18:13Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > (Alright, I think some of it came back to me. I wanted to emphasize some telling dialog I transcribed.) > > Come on! I brought this up previously because I couldn’t see Jesse just accepting that as an answer. He specifically asks if he’s **safe** , and only gets a terse response that he’s **gone**? While also witnessing the scene with Todd, the barrel, the car backed into the shop, and Todd closing the trunk, I think it’s at this point that Jesse was strongly suspicious that Walt killed Mike. After questioning Saul about what he knows/thinks, they both probably came to the obvious conclusion. Jesse shows no reaction other than relief when Walt says “he’s gone.” I don’t think of Jesse as having that good of a poker face, and anyway, if there was intended to be some ambiguity I think they would have had Jesse show a different emotion than the one he did. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/283 "2012-09-05T11:19:58Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Also, and this is a biggie, the level of Jesse’s fear of Walt only makes sense (to me) if he thinks that Walt killed Mike, and has now come to kill him. Why wouldn’t Jesse be terrified of a man who’s shown himself capable of having nine prisoners killed in cold blood? ---
**Author:** ![Lovesalsa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cc9497/32.png) [@Lovesalsa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lovesalsa)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/284 "2012-09-05T12:06:57Z")
Dreamed all night of the possibilities…woke up several times thinking wow I’ve never been so awed by a TV show before that I’m having seemingly hours-long extraordinarily complex dreams about…what a mind Vince has…!!! Unfortunately now I’m exhausted \< smile\> thank goodness I work the 3-11:30 shift… ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/285 "2012-09-05T13:33:10Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Jesse was talking about the jail massacre. Yeah, the reason Jesse would have been considering moving was that he could be ratted out by one or more of the prison nine. He didn’t end up moving because Saul told him that the nine were dead. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/286 "2012-09-05T14:56:04Z")
There’s no indication Jesse knows about Mike, and the conversation with Saul was about the prison murders. Walt deliberately cut that early conversation with Jesse short because he didn’t want Jesse to see what he and Todd were doing. The conversation would have ended differently if Jesse had seen hints they were disposing of Mike. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/287 "2012-09-05T15:53:10Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > There’s no indication Jesse knows about Mike, and the conversation with Saul was about the prison murders. Walt deliberately cut that early conversation with Jesse short because he didn’t want Jesse to see what he and Todd were doing. The conversation would have ended differently if Jesse had seen hints they were disposing of Mike. Yep. And it was a great juxtaposition with Jesse standing right next to the car only a few feet away from Mike’s body in the trunk, completely oblivious. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/288 "2012-09-05T17:58:46Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > I thought Yanks spelled honour without the U. It’s spelled the English way in GB’s inscription. > [@coremelt](#): > > Gale was an eccentric, theres no reason to think he might not have written in British english, there’s no inconsistent usage of Honour / Honor between the two notes. Wouldn’t he have also spelled it “favourite” if that was the case? No big deal, but I did notice that as well. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/289 "2012-09-05T17:59:37Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Wouldn’t he have also spelled it “favourite” if that was the case? No big deal, but I did notice that as well. British spelling is tougher to pull off than the Bin Laden raid. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/290 "2012-09-05T18:16:52Z")
No way Jesse knows what happened to Mike. He may find out in the final episodes - (in fact more likely he finds out about this than he finds out about Walt’s culpability with Jane or Brock) and then I think Jesse will turn on Walt. I can see several possibilities with Jesse, Todd, Lydia, etc, but cannot imagine what Vince & crew have in store for Walt Jr & Holly. I’m sure their safety will figure in somehow. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/291 "2012-09-05T18:35:57Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > No way Jesse knows what happened to Mike. He may find out in the final episodes - (in fact more likely he finds out about this than he finds out about Walt’s culpability with Jane or Brock) and then I think Jesse will turn on Walt. > > I can see several possibilities with Jesse, Todd, Lydia, etc, but cannot imagine what Vince & crew have in store for Walt Jr & Holly. I’m sure their safety will figure in somehow. Walt is probably going to wake up at the end of the last episode and realize it was all a dream since he just got diagnosed with cancer yesterday. Queue TV show theme music of your choice corresponding to All Just a Dream trope… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/292 "2012-09-05T19:11:40Z")
> [@Lovesalsa](#): > > Dreamed all night of the possibilities…woke up several times thinking wow I’ve never been so awed by a TV show before that I’m having seemingly hours-long extraordinarily complex dreams about…what a mind Vince has…!!! Sunday night I actually dreamed that Hank was after me (I guess I was Heisenberg). I don’t usually remember my dreams but I recall that it was unpleasant. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/293 "2012-09-05T19:23:04Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > There’s no indication Jesse knows about Mike, and the conversation with Saul was about the prison murders. > [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > No way Jesse knows what happened to Mike. I think Jesse has it on his mind. He knows Walt doesn’t need him anymore, that Walt had no love for Mike, that Walt is working with Todd, and that Walt arranged the deaths of 9 guys in jail. He was ready to believe Walt poisoned his friend’s kid last season, so I’m sure this is on Jesse’s mind. I have a hard time seeing Walt kill Jesse himself, but nothing is beyond his limits anymore. I’m seeing something like Todd killing Jesse, maybe to save Walt, and then Walt killing Todd. But I haven’t picked up a twist or turn yet in this story. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/294 "2012-09-05T19:32:51Z")
Jesse definitely thinks Walt is capable of killing him- that’s why he grabbed a gun when Walt came over. He just doesn’t think that because he knows Walt killed Mike. It’s because he’s seen what Walt has done recently: he let Todd off with a warning and he was really not troubled at all by the death of Drew Sharp, he became really vicious when Jesse stuck to his guns about quitting, and then he had the 10 prisoners murdered. Walt burned his bridges with Jesse very thoroughly and Jesse seems to have no illusions about how ruthless he’s become. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/295 "2012-09-05T19:40:31Z")
My prediction (you read it here first!) is that Jesse will be forced to kill Walt in the end, simultaneously avenging the the many things Walt has done to him and kept from him, and completing the downward spiral Walt set him on from the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/296 "2012-09-05T19:45:32Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > My prediction (you read it here first!) is that Jesse will be forced to kill Walt in the end, simultaneously avenging the the many things Walt has done to him and kept from him, and completing the downward spiral Walt set him on from the beginning. I’ve been predicting this since season one. It’s the only way this kind of story can logically end. ---
**Author:** ![Scupper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Scupper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scupper)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/297 "2012-09-05T20:03:22Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > My prediction (you read it here first!) is that Jesse will be forced to kill Walt in the end, simultaneously avenging the the many things Walt has done to him and kept from him, and completing the downward spiral Walt set him on from the beginning. I think Walt has to kill Jesse and then confess his sins to him as he is dying. That’s the only way the Jane story can really come out, and it kinda has to. ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/298 "2012-09-05T21:22:30Z")
I really liked the episode, but I must say, it seemed awfully easy for them to successfully simultaneously murder 10 people with no one getting caught and no repercussions whatsoever… Is that remotely realistic as an account of lax prison security, or is Todd’s uncle’s gang just meant to be insanely good at surreptitiously murdering people in prison? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/299 "2012-09-05T21:28:46Z")
The other odd part was that Mike seemed to be dismissive of the prison gang just a couple of episodes ago. Maybe he was dismissing how useful they could be in terms of meth distribution since felt this murder plot was too big a deal and never would have signed off on it. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506/300 "2012-09-05T21:36:18Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The other odd part was that Mike seemed to be dismissive of the prison gang just a couple of episodes ago. Maybe he was dismissing how useful they could be in terms of meth distribution since felt this murder plot was too big a deal and never would have signed off on it. Possibly they aren’t the type of criminalsl Mike wanted to associate with. He was very practical, and he may have seen them as a threat, unreliable, or just didn’t like their attitude. We didn’t get to find out if his opinion would have changed under different circumstances. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-5-8-gliding-over-all/633506.md?page=16)