# Breaking Bad - Full Measure - 6/13 (Season 3 Finale) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 14, 2010, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090 "2010-06-14T03:09:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/81 "2010-06-16T03:57:21Z")
I think the first emergence of [del]Dr. Jeckyll[/del]Heisenberg was his fulminated mercury attack on Tuko and associates. That was pretty bad ass. (I don’t count the dealer he killed in the basement as that was more self defense, though the idea to dissolve him in acid was pretty cold.) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/82 "2010-06-16T03:59:51Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Sure, but it didn’t leave Jesse in a very good spot - Walt’s job may be secure for the moment, but if Gus and Mike know Jesse’s in town, they’re going to try to kill him. > > ETA: Doesn’t do much for Saul, either, now that Mike knows he was lying. heh, good point about Saul. But given Walt’s desperation plan, how could he have pulled it off without revealing that Jesse was in town? I’m not seeing any alternative. ---
**Author:** ![jrepka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee59a6/32.png) [@jrepka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jrepka)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/83 "2010-06-16T17:59:45Z")
_woodstockbirdybird:_ You’re absolutely right, but in his world Jesse kind of owes him – he didn’t have to save him from the dealers after all… The fact that he’s pretty much destroyed Jesse’s life (such as it was) is easily rationalized away (like the lives of the people in the planes). And it’s hard to feel sorry for Saul – props to him for lying to Mike, but Walt and Jesse are his only conduit for that sweet sweet money, and though he wants to keep his legs, his internal organs and his life he clearly loves the money more… _pilot141:_ I’ve always remembered it as Tuco giving him the name, but you may indeed be right – Tuco asks who he is, and he makes up a name on the spot – but in any case “Heisenberg” seems especially appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/84 "2010-06-16T19:18:16Z")
> [@Washoe](#): > > Do you by any chance know what the other song is—the one Gale was listening to when Jesse knocked on the door? Alas, I’m not familiar with that one. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/85 "2010-06-16T20:00:47Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Alas, I’m not familiar with that one. Shazam couldn’t figure it out either. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/86 "2010-06-16T20:03:14Z")
> [@jrepka](#): > > _woodstockbirdybird:_ You’re absolutely right, but in his world Jesse kind of owes him – he didn’t have to save him from the dealers after all… The fact that he’s pretty much destroyed Jesse’s life (such as it was) is easily rationalized away (like the lives of the people in the planes). Oh, I get that Walt did what he had to do to survive, but that’s what makes me think it wasn’t planned out in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/87 "2010-06-16T20:18:01Z")
> [@jrepka](#): > > And it’s hard to feel sorry for Saul – props to him for lying to Mike, but Walt and Jesse are his only conduit for that sweet sweet money, and though he wants to keep his legs, his internal organs and his life he clearly loves the money more… we dont know for certain Saul was lying to Mike, for all we know Walt and Jessie were lying to Saul. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/88 "2010-06-16T20:45:26Z")
I’m pretty sure Saul definitely has an “in case of my disappearance all kinds of information is going to get found” policy that Gus would know about, plus in his line of work discretion- even at gunpoint- is something Gus and Mike should understand. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/89 "2010-06-16T20:58:13Z")
Actually, that reminds me. When Mike was questioning Saul about Jesse’s whereabouts, I was thinking that if Jesse really did skip town, he should have done so without telling anyone (including Walt and especially Saul) where he was. ---
**Author:** ![jrepka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee59a6/32.png) [@jrepka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jrepka)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/90 "2010-06-17T02:54:54Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Oh, I get that Walt did what he had to do to survive, but that’s what makes me think it wasn’t planned out in advance. Oh, I don’t think that the scenario was planned out in advance; Walt didn’t expect to get picked up and dragged to the laundry that night, and he didn’t expect to have to put Jesse up to killing Gale (the fact that he didn’t think that Mike would try to call and warn Gale demonstrates this). But his complete change in demeanor after he made the call tells me that he had spent the ride rationally thinking through his options and was under control through the whole exchange. ---
**Author:** ![jrepka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee59a6/32.png) [@jrepka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jrepka)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/91 "2010-06-17T03:03:03Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Actually, that reminds me. When Mike was questioning Saul about Jesse’s whereabouts, I was thinking that if Jesse really did skip town, he should have done so without telling anyone (including Walt and especially Saul) where he was. Yes, I would expect Mike to be smarter than to believe that Jesse would leave Saul a forwarding address. If I were on the run I would be the only one to initiate contact with anyone – perhaps through a BBS… ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/92 "2010-06-17T03:09:35Z")
Except that Mike probably thinks Jesse’s dumb enough to do just that. Mike probably wouldn’t have believed Saul if Saul had said he didn’t know where Jesse was. But I’ll bet Mike was surprised that Jesse was still in town. Jesse being at the Lazer place means that he didn’t run when Walt told him to. I wish we could have heard that discussion. How did Jesse convince Walt to hide him? What would he have said? And how hard did Walt try to get Jesse to go? Did he want Jesse where he could keep an eye on him? ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/93 "2010-06-17T03:10:19Z")
Yes, we all know you guys would be the perfect criminals and disappearing acts this world has seen if it came down to it. But this is Jesse Pinkman we’re talking here. His ability to mess things up is widely known amongst everybody in this little circle of crime. And this all assumes Mike even believed Saul in the first place. He would be skeptical from the first second Saul gave up any info and just has to accept whatever info he’s given and then just has to use his private investigator techniques to go from there. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/94 "2010-06-17T03:26:34Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Jesse being at the Lazer place means that he didn’t run when Walt told him to. I wish we could have heard that discussion. How did Jesse convince Walt to hide him? What would he have said? And how hard did Walt try to get Jesse to go? Did he want Jesse where he could keep an eye on him? I think Jesse’s pretty good at laying low when he needs too. If Walt told him to get hide his car somewhere and hang out at the Lazer Tag place and never let anyone see him in a window, go outside for a smoke etc… I think he’d do it. There’s the chance Walt wanted him where he could keep an eye on him for two reasons. 1)So he could keep him and himself out of trouble and 2)So he could give him up in a moments notice if he needed too. He almost did until he came up with plan B. Also, I think I could see Jesse giving Saul his new address if he moved. I can see him saying “Hey, that Gus guy still owes me 1.5 mil and I want my money yo. So, like here’s where I’ll be, make sure I get that money, it’s not my fault Mr White mowed down those two guys, I could have shot them and no one would’ve known was me, not even Mr White and we could have gone on cooking” ---
**Author:** ![regginbrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ba9def/32.png) [@regginbrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/regginbrow)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/95 "2010-06-17T21:50:33Z")
Back to Jessie kidnapping or killing Gale, remember that kidnapping him would just be another half measure, not the full measure that Mike discussed with Walt. It fits in more with the episodic structure for Jessie to go all the way, not to mention the dramatic and character development sense it makes. ---
**Author:** ![troub](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troub/32/14802_2.png) [@troub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/troub)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/96 "2010-06-18T16:39:05Z")
I really don’t believe for a second that Walt was actually planning to give up Jesse to Mike. Walt has knowingly sacrificed a LOT to “help” Jesse…he knowingly exploded his situation with Gus into something very, very terrible by running over those dealers (not to mention the personal baggage of killing more people, and breaking the car AGAIN). Walt is very, very close to Jesse and has a trail of actions that complicated his own life for Jesse’s well-being to prove it. The interesting thing to me is that from season one until recently, we would think he had just grown to like him…after this, we have to wonder if he simply knew that he needed to cultivate and maintain a loyal partner that he knew he might need to save his ass some day. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/97 "2010-06-18T16:49:17Z")
> [@troub](#): > > I really don’t believe for a second that Walt was actually planning to give up Jesse to Mike. Walt has knowingly sacrificed a LOT to “help” Jesse…he knowingly exploded his situation with Gus into something very, very terrible by running over those dealers (not to mention the personal baggage of killing more people, and breaking the car AGAIN). Walt is very, very close to Jesse and has a trail of actions that complicated his own life for Jesse’s well-being to prove it. The interesting thing to me is that from season one until recently, we would think he had just grown to like him…after this, we have to wonder if he simply knew that he needed to cultivate and maintain a loyal partner that he knew he might need to save his ass some day. That true, but OTOH, Walt might have seen this as a nice clean easy way to be done with Jesse once and for all. You have to admit, Jesse makes Walt’s life much more complicated then it needs to be. They’ve been the odd couple since episode 1. ---
**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/98 "2010-06-18T19:06:38Z")
> [@Washoe](#): > > Do you by any chance know what the other song is—the one Gale was listening to when Jesse knocked on the door? [Found it](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjWa5mLNBFw). Can anybody translate the commentaries? ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/99 "2010-06-20T00:40:56Z")
> **[\- YouTube](https://www-youtube-com.translate.goog/watch?v=mjWa5mLNBFw&_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=zh-CN&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US)** > > Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090/100 "2010-06-20T00:45:02Z")
Just to throw my two cents in the ring, I think everything Walt did at the lab was carefully orchestrated and choreographed, but it was a last minute plan he devised in the car ride over. When he first walked out the door to go kill Gale he had no other plan or thought on his mind; cold-blooded, premeditated murder tends to command your focus, I imagine. But once forced into the car to go get whacked, he had to come up with a Plan B. And I think it’s safe to infer he had at least a 20 minute car ride from his house to the lab to come up with the new plan. So while it was relatively impromptu, it was still carefully planned out and executed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-bad-full-measure-6-13-season-3-finale/543090.md?page=6)