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Could this simply be jealousy created by team rivalry? Or is he really such a receptacle of scum?
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Nope. He’s a scum receptacle. And he’s one that has (apparently) cheated in order to break the homerun record. If this were a case of petty jealousy, every team in the league would have been fighting to sign him when he became a free agent but most teams’ interest was tepid at best. Right now, nobody wants to touch him but I’m sure that somebody probably will.
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I loathe Bonds (check my posting record on his threads!). But, nomatter what happens, I’m guessing he still ends up in the Hall of Fame, and I think he should.
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Gammons was talking today that they have found a non-baseball drug test that Bonds took that shows he used illegal steroids. If this turns out to be true, Bonds might not make the HoF.
I think Bonds is a douche and am glad his smug ass will be getting his comeuppance, but don’t agree that if found guilty that he alone should have his accomplishments purged or asterisked, when there are tons more players who won’t have a smiliar fate just because the feds didn’t choose to go after them as well.
[QUOTE=What Exit?]
Gammons was talking today that they have found a non-baseball drug test that Bonds took that shows he used illegal steroids. If this turns out to be true, Bonds might not make the HoF.
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I will be satisfied if everywhere his name appears, for the rest of Time, there is an asterisk next to it. Let him be enshrined as a Cheater forever, right down there with the Black Sox.
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I think Bonds is a douche and am glad his smug ass will be getting his comeuppance, but don’t agree that if found guilty that he alone should have his accomplishments purged or asterisked, when there are tons more players who won’t have a smiliar fate just because the feds didn’t choose to go after them as well.
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Don’t worry, they won’t purge his records and the only *s on him will be the one that denotes that many of the stats in this era are inflated by steroid use and the ones that us fans will of course place next to his numbers mentally.
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I will be satisfied if everywhere his name appears, for the rest of Time, there is an asterisk next to it. Let him be enshrined as a Cheater forever, right down there with the Black Sox.
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Are the Black Sox enshrined? I know that Shoeless Joe Jackson certainly isn’t.
Bonds is possibly the biggest jackass for this reason:
Before blowing up like an inflatable Hulk doll, he was already on track to be accepted by many as the greatest baseball player of our lifetime, and maybe all time. Think about that!
The press and other players were able to look beyond his horse-shit personality and the complete lack of charm and charisma and still applaud his abilities… and many would speak openly about his stance as arguably the greatest of all time. This was when he was regular Barry, full of talent and probably no drugs.
I loathe him for being such a self-involved ass that being the best player in MLB (current and maybe of all time) still wasn’t enough. THE FUC*ING STONES ON THIS GUY! GET THE F— out of here! Can you believe the gall?
If Joe Shleblotnick does the juice to up his power and make a name for himself and earn a few million for a few years, you can almost understand the motivation and justification that went on in the guy’s head. I mean, people take steroids for nothing, so you can see the attraction to a guy who can pull in 20 million and have a career or sorts. It ain’t right, but I can see the temptation.
Bonds? Seriously - the mutha-fu*king cajones by this guy.
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I disagree, if there was a conspiracy at all, this indictment would have happened before Bonds got the record. Baseball fandom and especially the Commissioner did not want Bonds to break the record.
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I can’t go along with that — first and foremost, baseball wanted the money his home-run chase was bringing in. Baseball knows, as with Pete Rose, it can always jigger the record books later.
[QUOTE=What Exit?]
What do they owe Bonds? I can see the Sosa & McGwire part*. They had there nifty little race when baseball needed to recover from the strike. Nothing Bonds did was he pumped up helped baseball at all.
Jim
I don’t think baseball actually owes those two cheats anything either, but at least I understand the argument.
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Bonds is the downside of the same trend. If Bonds goes to court, if there’s testimony, if there’s evidence, it could get very nasty and many scabs could get ripped open. It’s possible that no team would be left untouched. It could end up like even more of a McCarthy witchhunt than it is now.
[QUOTE=don’t ask]
I gather that this Bonds chap is a baseballist of the battering variety who has achieved great feats but in doing so has somehow garnered more than his share of enmity. Could this simply be jealousy created by team rivalry? Or is he really such a receptacle of scum?
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It also depends who you ask. Bonds has done almost superhuman things in the sport, but with some kind of outside help. Where does the “outside help” of dietary supplements and weightlifting supplements end and steroids begin? Note that steroids weren’t illegal in baseball (but were and still are illegal according to the government) when he “supposedly” took them. Is it wrong to take a performance enhancing substance that’s banned by the government but not by the sport you play? When they do outlaw it and if it has been proven that you took them when it was still legal, what is the consequence?
Also, he’s a complete dick and he’s been a complete asshole to the press and virtually everyone else within his influence.
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Bonds is the downside of the same trend. If Bonds goes to court, if there’s testimony, if there’s evidence, it could get very nasty and many scabs could get ripped open. It’s possible that no team would be left untouched. It could end up like even more of a McCarthy witchhunt than it is now.
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Fine, lets air it all out, do it quick and move on. The game won’t be hurt too much by this. It will recover quick. Instead we have these repetitive small wounds that keep piercing it.
[QUOTE=Least Original User Name Ever]
Is it wrong to take a performance enhancing substance that’s banned by the government but not by the sport you play? When they do outlaw it and if it has been proven that you took them when it was still legal, what is the consequence?
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Doesn’t your rather inflammatory “banned by the government” really mean “illegal?” If so, how can you speculate that someone might have taken them “when it was still legal”?
At any rate, Bonds has not been charged with taking steroids, and in fact had immunity from such charges. He is being charged with perjury and obstruction of justice.
Steroids have been legally considered ‘controlled substances’ since the early 1990’s (maybe earlier). In other words, cocaine, meth, steroids, crack cocaine, heroine…they are on the list of ‘controlled substances’. Baseball surely doesn’t need to explain in the Official Rules that crack is illegal or ‘against the rules’, per se, does it?
Does baseball need to explain that homicide or car jacking is illegal?
Well, then they don’t need to draft rules about steroids, meth or crack either.
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Does baseball need to explain that homicide or car jacking is illegal?
Well, then they don’t need to draft rules about steroids, meth or crack either.
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No, but baseball does need to address the penalty assessed by baseball, over and above what the law provides, for such a violation.
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No, but baseball does need to address the penalty assessed by baseball, over and above what the law provides, for such a violation.
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Why? If I embezzle from my company, I can reasonably expect to be fired and prosecuted even though it isn’t spelled out in writing anywhere.
What kind of fly by night operation doesn’t have procedures in place for handling money?
In any case, embezzlement is an offense against your company - your behavior hurts them directly. But you wouldn’t expect to be fired for getting a speeding ticket off hours, would you?
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What kind of fly by night operation doesn’t have procedures in place for handling money?
In any case, embezzlement is an offense against your company - your behavior hurts them directly. But you wouldn’t expect to be fired for getting a speeding ticket off hours, would you?
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Bonds’ behavior hurts baseball and therefore hurts the Giants.
