# Breaking News: reported mass shooting in Dayton OH **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 4, 2019, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161 "2019-08-04T06:35:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/21 "2019-08-04T13:27:42Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I don’t get it. It seems like each shooting should shift the thinking of some percentage of those on the “pro-gun” side. I know that personally, I always considered guns to be a tool that could be used safely until one of the school shootings made me realize I was insane for thinking that. > > Gun grabbers grab away. Take mine, ideally reimbursing me with a gift card or something. I don’t want to have to put on a flak jacket every time I run to the store. I think Democratic mayors and governors should start up the gun back buy programs - that’s one thing they could do, and it’s voluntary. One thing the federal government could possibly consider if Democrats are ever successful in regaining control of the government is to fund more buyback programs. Fund “law enforcement” programs, but work with Democratic governors and mayors to pay for gun buy-backs. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/22 "2019-08-04T13:30:24Z")
**Moderator Note** > [@Derleth](#): > > So when gun control _is_ seriously discussed… > [@Velocity](#): > > It’s almost as if these mass killers WANT gun control. > [@kayaker](#): > > I don’t get it. It seems like each shooting should shift the thinking of some percentage of those on the “pro-gun” side. I know that personally, I always considered guns to be a tool that could be used safely until one of the school shootings made me realize I was insane for thinking that. > > Gun grabbers grab away. Take mine, ideally reimbursing me with a gift card or something. I don’t want to have to put on a flak jacket every time I run to the store. This is a breaking news thread, not a gun debate thread. Feel free to discuss this issue as it relates to the gun control debate, just not in this thread. If there isn’t already a thread on this topic in Great Debates, feel free to start one. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/23 "2019-08-04T13:47:20Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > This is a breaking news thread, Apologies for my off-topic post, I didn’t think mass shootings were breaking news anymore.☹ ETA: I see it now in the thread title. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![MortSahlFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@MortSahlFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MortSahlFan)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/24 "2019-08-04T14:09:00Z")
land of the fee ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/25 "2019-08-04T14:17:27Z")
Has any information about the Dayton killer been released yet? I haven’t seen his name or anything so far. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/26 "2019-08-04T14:23:54Z")
I woke up to this news and am gobsmacked. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/27 "2019-08-04T14:28:20Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Has any information about the Dayton killer been released yet? I haven’t seen his name or anything so far. No name or motive released yet. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/28 "2019-08-04T14:56:25Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Copied from other thread… > > I drove up to Dayton for family obligations and to see old friends from Columbus. If not for extreme laziness on all our parts, we would have been at ned peppers last night. We talked extensively about going down there…woke up this morning to frantic texts from my mom. I’m so glad you were lazy last night! ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/29 "2019-08-04T14:59:20Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I’m so glad you were lazy last night! I knew being lazy would pay off one of these days. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/30 "2019-08-04T15:07:26Z")
I’m glad you’re ok **snfaulkner**. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/31 "2019-08-04T15:11:15Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Has any information about the Dayton killer been released yet? I haven’t seen his name or anything so far. Sen. Sherrod Brown said he spoke with Dayton’s mayor, who said it was a young white male, maybe in his early 20s. That’s all I’ve seen so far. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/32 "2019-08-04T15:54:14Z")
Anyone wanna bet he was just really, really upset about not getting tickets to Coldplay or something? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/33 "2019-08-04T15:55:41Z")
NBC, quoting “senior law enforcement officials” say the killer is a 24 year old white male. > > > NBC News @NBCNews ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/34 "2019-08-04T15:57:54Z")
Connor Betts of Bellbrook OH. > ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/35 "2019-08-04T16:01:34Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > It’s almost as if these mass killers WANT gun control. What if they did? Do you think Trump won’t sign a gun control bill if one crosses his desk? I do. Trump isn’t a ‘gun guy’, never has been, and hasn’t shown any affinity for gun rights at all. He’s a New York real estate guy. How many of them think about guns, except that he’s glad his bodyguards have them, and he’d prefer there were fewer of them in the world. These views are not shared by a lot of his base. I think that his signing a gun control bill would be his version of “Read my lips, no new taxes.” You’d see another incumbent President fail to win reelection. Trump won by getting the right 90,000 votes in the right three states. Even with the improved economy and unemployment numbers, he can’t afford to have too much of base decide to sit 2020 out. If Trump’s gone, a lot of his policies pissing powerful people off around the world: Iran sanctions, China and Latin America tariffs, opposition to establishing a carbon market or regulation—all of that goes away. Hell of a epidemiological cluster, all of these shootings. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/36 "2019-08-04T16:06:15Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I’m glad you’re ok **snfaulkner**. Me too. Things like that really bring it home how precious life is. I had a similar situation wherein I changed a routine, and thereby avoided a Heat-esque armored car robbery and gun battle. Hug your loved ones. As a local media personality says here, “We’re not guaranteed tomorrow.” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/37 "2019-08-04T16:41:36Z")
This is a historical area that became a bar/restaurant district over a half century ago. It’s been the place to go if you want to listen to live music. You can make a night of it listening to different bands within the space of a couple of blocks. Because of the nature of bar density it’s heavily patrolled and is the reason the killer was stopped in the space of a minute. All this comes on the heels of 15 tornadoes hitting the area on Memorial Day. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/38 "2019-08-04T17:12:45Z")
Thankfully, we are not running out of Thoughts and Prayers. Lots of those to go around, so everything is peachy keen. It’s especially too early to talk about the radicalization of young white men into right-wing white nationalist terrorism. Too early for that. Maybe let’s never actually discuss it. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/39 "2019-08-04T17:39:12Z")
This is sick. I and many of the people I know have spent so much time hanging out in Dayton’s Oregon District. One of my closest friends had his wedding rehearsal dinner there. There’s a fantastic record store, and a couple of nice adult stores, and just around the corner one of the best coffee shops anywhere. This just days after El Paso, and just days after the Gilroy Garlic festival. Right-wing terrorism is the problem in our faces that no one in charge wants to actually talk about. This is Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. We’re all fucked. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2019, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/40 "2019-08-04T17:46:59Z")
Apparently, Betts’s sister and her boyfriend were also killed. I saw a rumor that they were an interracial couple. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161.md?page=3)