# Breaking News: reported mass shooting in Dayton OH **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 4, 2019, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161 "2019-08-04T06:35:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/61 "2019-08-05T23:52:09Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I think he was being sarcastic in that post. He also wrote “This is America: Guns on every corner, guns in every house, no freedom but that to kill” and Yet he had a 100 round mag…a standard thing for casual hunters and sportsmen to have? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/62 "2019-08-05T23:58:49Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I think he was being sarcastic in that post. He also wrote “This is America: Guns on every corner, guns in every house, no freedom but that to kill” and > [@](#): > > On Feb. 14, 2018, he tweeted this at Sen. Rob Portman: “@robportman hey rob. How much did they pay you to look the other way? 17 kids are dead. If not now, when?” That was the date of the mass shooting at a school in Parkland, Florida. If this is true both shootings were from students who should have been treated for mental illness and banned from gun purchases. I understand the need to keep kids out of the prison system but mental health issues need to be treated seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/63 "2019-08-06T00:01:36Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Yet he had a 100 round mag…a standard thing for casual hunters and sportsmen to have? No, he did not have 100 round mag. He had (2) 50 round mags rigged together. The police said there were multiple modifications made to the gun but they haven’t specified what they were. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/64 "2019-08-06T00:05:50Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > No, he did not have 100 round mag. He had (2) 50 round mags rigged together. The police said there were multiple modifications made to the gun but they haven’t specified what they were. I’ve heard on NPR he had a 100 round drum. But even still, if you are right, does a casual hunter/sportsman have even 1 50 round mag? Let alone taping 2 together? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/65 "2019-08-06T00:10:22Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I’ve heard on NPR he had a 100 round drum. But even still, if you are right, does a casual hunter/sportsman have even 1 50 round mag? Let alone taping 2 together? I don’t know about a casual hunter (perhaps [something similar chambered in .22LR](https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/ati-ruger-10-22-22lr-drum-magazine-110-rounds?a=1919026) for small game?), but I know lots of casual target shooters that have high-capacity magazines, either the drum style or the [Surefire extended magazine](https://www.surefire.com/tactical-equipment/high-capacity-magazines.html) variety. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/66 "2019-08-06T00:26:47Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > mental health issues need to be treated seriously. That simply is not going to happen until there is a major shift in society, moving away frm the stigma attached to mental health issues. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/67 "2019-08-06T00:27:25Z")
[DailyMail.co.uk is reporting](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7324839/Connor-Betts-shot-best-friend-mass-shooting-driving-Dayton.html) that the guy shot with the sister was not a boyfriend, but a friend of the shooter: > [@](#): > > Dayton gunman Connor Betts shot and critically injured his best friend when he killed nine victims including his own sister, Megan, 22. > > [DailyMail.com](http://DailyMail.com) has exclusively learned that Charles ‘Chace’ Beard, 24, was the man who was in the car with Betts and Megan when they drove to the Oregon District where Betts carried out the second mass shooting of the weekend. > > And Beard was among the first victims to be shot by 24-year-old Betts in his so-far motiveless massacre conducted in the early hours of Sunday morning. > > He and Megan Betts appear to have been standing outside Ned Peppers Bar when Betts opened fire. > > Betts, who was armed with an AR-15, wearing body armor and a mask and had as many as 250 rounds of ammunition, was taken down by cops about 30 seconds after he opened fire. > > Chillingly, [DailyMail.com](http://DailyMail.com) can reveal, that Beard and Megan Betts were both ‘among the first victims,’ according to police. Beard appears to be friendly with Megan too, but according to his social media profile is in a relationship with another women. … Also, it appears that Charles Beard was a white guy, so I don’t think the “interracial couple” angle suggested earlier is a plausible motive at this point. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/68 "2019-08-06T00:35:20Z")
Nm, this isn’t the gun debate thread. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/69 "2019-08-06T00:44:53Z")
This story just got even more disturbing. They’re taking down references to the band. Certainly don’t want this guy getting any more attention. > **[Dayton shooter Connor Betts was in a ‘pornogrind’ metal band: report](https://nypost.com/2019/08/05/dayton-shooter-connor-betts-was-in-a-pornogrind-metal-band-report/)** > > Dayton mass shooter Connor Betts was reportedly the lead singer of a misogynistic “pornogrind” metal band called Menstrual Munchies — which released songs about rape, murder, necrophili… > [@](#): > > Dayton mass shooter Connor Betts was reportedly the lead singer of a misogynistic “pornogrind” metal band called Menstrual Munchies — which released songs about rape, murder, necrophilia and other gruesome acts against women. > > “I feel s–tty having let him be in the band, doing those lyrics,” said bandmate Jesse Creekbaum in an interview with VICE News. “It’s like, Jesus Christ, how much of this was like real life for him?” > \ > “I know, like, whereas I saw it as a joke — like, ‘Let’s play this and we’ll shock some people,’ and then the people that we know laugh — he didn’t see it as a joke,” Creekbaum said. “He was like, ‘F–k, yeah. We’re gonna do this.’” ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/70 "2019-08-06T01:05:12Z")
People that are reported to have known the shooter paint him out to be a pretty [disturbing individual](https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/05/connor-betts-dayton-gunman-pornogrind-metal-band/1926467001/). A classmate reportedly said that he had plans to shoot up the high school back when he was there. Since the shooter was aged 24 at death, that means that would have been going back at least six years ago. He seems to fit the profile of someone who might do a mass shooting. The Twitter profile alleged to be that of the shooter showed someone who was an undeniably politicized individual - in his own words, he was a “leftist”. He also seemed to be rather nihilistic and extreme in his outlook on life. There is no direct evidence yet that this mass shooting was political in nature. No manifesto was released beforehand by the shooter. The targets also do not seem political in nature - people in a bar, with six out of nine victims being black (so not a sort of alt-right bar, or obvious “antifa” target). There is also the fact that the shooter’s sister was one of the victims, which suggests that the motive might have been personal rather than political. Whether or not this was intended by the shooter to have been seen as a “political” action, like how the El Paso shooter had in mind with his “manifesto” and choice of target, it seems quite possible that this individual, somewhat extreme to start with, could have been made more extreme by the extreme political climate of our time. It seems the line between a “general” mass shooter and “political” mass shooter can be blurry, and it is not always easy to extricate how much politics is a factor in each case. I think we need to know more facts about the shooter’s motive before certifying that the Dayton shooting was an act of terrorism, like the El Paso shooting was. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/71 "2019-08-06T01:08:28Z")
Here’s the full interview with Jesse Creekbaum. He is the songwriter for the band. > **[EXCLUSIVE: Dayton Shooter Was in a “Pornogrind” Band That Released Songs...](https://www.vice.com/en/article/j5yekp/exclusive-dayton-shooter-was-in-a-pornogrind-band-that-released-songs-about-raping-and-killing-women)** > > Menstrual Munchies released albums like "6 Ways of Female Butchery" with cover art showing the rape and mutilation of female bodies. > [@](#): > > Now one of Betts’ bandmates, Jesse Creekbaum, 25, is taking the recordings down. He says he’s removing them out of fear the vulgar music he produced will make a cult hero out of the murderer, who was killed by police at the scene. He’s also received death threats online because of his association with Betts. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/72 "2019-08-06T01:15:25Z")
Another quote. I can relate to the shock of a bandmate committing a crime like this. Connor Betts sang with them on gigs. He didn’t record with them on their albums. > [@](#): > > “It’s just the music we love, you know, like, it’s fun to play. It’s energetic and there’s nothing else like it. So we play it,” Walton, 29, said. “And then we get people like this, who, you know, are fucking sick in the head, who get into our scene and ended up killing nine people and almost, you know, putting a bad name on our scene. And that’s not fair for the rest of us.” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/73 "2019-08-06T03:31:03Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > That simply is not going to happen until there is a major shift in society, moving away frm the stigma attached to mental health issues. the common connection between this and the Florida school shooting is mental health issues that were not properly addressed. t’s been a recent trend in the education system to bypass the legal system to keep kids out of prison. It’s a noble idea that has merit. Kids do stupid things. But kids with serious violent issues can’t be fast tracked away from the court or mental health system. It’s not fair to anyone concerned. If it isn’t addressed then nothing will change. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/74 "2019-08-06T03:32:37Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > the common connection between this and the Florida school shooting is mental health issues that were not properly addressed. > > t’s been a recent trend in the education system to bypass the legal system to keep kids out of prison. It’s a noble idea that has merit. Kids do stupid things. But kids with serious violent issues can’t be fast tracked away from the court or mental health system. It’s not fair to anyone concerned. > > If it isn’t addressed then nothing will change. So are you for or against socialized healthcare? ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/75 "2019-08-06T03:49:49Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > His high school “hit list” included a list of girls he wanted to rape. I read Sue Klebold’s book when it came out a couple years ago. I’m going to spoiler the following for reasons that will be obvious if you choose to read it. When Eric Harris’ computer was analyzed after Columbine, they found a journal where he said that the main thing he was looking forward to at college was the opportunity to pick up drunk girls at bars and parties, take them back to his dorm room, and rape them. I don’t know what, if any, sexual experience he and Dylan Klebold had in their lifetimes, but yeah, he did the world a big favor by taking himself out. Just wish he’d done it first. If the boy in this recent case from my area is ever let out, I suspect we’ll be reading about him in a decade or so. His parents will be going on trial later this year, because his father is a convicted felon and should not have owned firearms. > **[School employees describe tense minutes after boy pulled out gun in class](https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2019/07/17/iowa-school-gun-teacher-trial-luke-andrews-scott-firearm-laws-murder-davenport-eldridge-ia-guilty/1759326001/)** > > After the Aug. 31 incident, Andrews told school staff he “wanted to end it and anybody that got in my way,” said Julie Walton, an attorney for the state. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/76 "2019-08-06T03:50:26Z")
More information about the shooter is being discovered. Probably not a Trump fan. This guy is such an enigma. Drives to the bar with his best friend and sister. Then guns them down during his rampage. [https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F](https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F) > [@](#): > > A Twitter account that appears to belong to Dayton mass shooter Connor Betts retweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting Antifa, or anti-fascist, protesters. > The most recent tweet on the @iamthespookster account was on August 3, the day of the shooting, when he retweeted a post saying, “Millenials have a message for the Joe Biden generation: hurry up and die.” He also retweeted messages supporting Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/77 "2019-08-06T04:05:06Z")
[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Dayton_shooting#Perpetrator) (citing _Washington Post_ article): > [@](#): > > Betts’ high school time girlfriend stated that at the time they dated Betts complained of hallucinations, hearing voices and psychosis, and was afraid of developing schizophrenia. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/78 "2019-08-06T04:44:11Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > So are you for or against socialized healthcare? Non sequitur. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/79 "2019-08-06T08:04:38Z")
**Moderator Note** > [@Magiver](#): > > the common connection between this and the Florida school shooting is mental health issues that were not properly addressed. > > t’s been a recent trend in the education system to bypass the legal system to keep kids out of prison. It’s a noble idea that has merit. Kids do stupid things. But kids with serious violent issues can’t be fast tracked away from the court or mental health system. It’s not fair to anyone concerned. > > If it isn’t addressed then nothing will change. > [@snfaulkner](#): > > So are you for or against socialized healthcare? Let’s keep the political issues out of Breaking News threads, please. Feel free to discuss this in Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161/80 "2019-08-06T18:12:04Z")
The shooter’s sorta-ex-girlfriend wrote a fair bit about him and their (weird) relationship: [My Ex-Boyfriend was the Dayton Shooter](https://medium.com/@_adeliajohnson_/my-ex-boyfriend-was-the-dayton-shooter-2b7f2d792b68) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-reported-mass-shooting-in-dayton-oh/838161.md?page=5)