# Breaking news: terrorists attack French publisher, 11 dead. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 7, 2015, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213 "2015-01-07T12:32:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/41 "2015-01-07T16:50:34Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > So what would be the alternative? Post pictures of the slain satirists along with the headline: The Free Press: Killed by Islamic Extremists. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/42 "2015-01-07T16:52:06Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Oh, it is soooo “partisan” to point out that policemen showed up at the scene, saw armed men and ran away. Could you maybe wait until the bodies of the policemen who died in the attack have gone cold before you get on your hobby-horse? ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/43 "2015-01-07T16:54:18Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Every publication in the free world should reprint the cartoons in question now and every year on the anniversary of this massacre. Of course, the pusillanimous bastards won’t. All we’ll get are the usual weasel words from our leaders. Nah that’s too brave. More likely we’ll get a meaningless twitter hashtag showing solidarity with the victims. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/44 "2015-01-07T16:55:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If that’s all it takes to radicalize Muslims, then they will be radicalized anyway at some point. Someone somewhere will burn a Koran, or make a movie that denigrates the prophet. We can’t stop it, we can’t even make it illegal, and we shouldn’t even try. > > In a country where public funding goes to Jesus in a jar of piss, we can do a nude Mohammed and it should be funded by the federal government to boot. That sounds great, but I don’t think it’s how the real world works – I think it would do more harm than good. It’s difficult to understand, but I believe that there are actually lots of people who oppose violence in most cases but, for some reason, think blasphemy can deserve a violent response. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/45 "2015-01-07T17:04:03Z")
That is true. We used to have that problem here. It was trained out of them through sheer saturation and the majority standing up for the 1st amendment. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/46 "2015-01-07T17:10:50Z")
Whatever we do, it should be a knee-jerk response spewed out by the most emotionally enraged among us. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/47 "2015-01-07T17:15:53Z")
> [@bup](#): > > whatever we do, it should be a knee-jerk response spewed out by the most emotionally enraged among us. **Fuck Yeah!!** ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/48 "2015-01-07T17:20:03Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That is true. We used to have that problem here. It was trained out of them through sheer saturation and the majority standing up for the 1st amendment. Oh? Many people favored death, or some other form of bodily harm, as a punishment for blasphemers in the United States, after 1791? Who? ---
**Author:** ![Teuton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teuton/32/3864_2.png) [@Teuton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teuton)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/49 "2015-01-07T17:22:38Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > That’s one of the stupidest ideas I"ve every heard. Unless, that is, you want to radicalize the muslims who don’t automatically think the West is aligned against them. An [Egyptian](http://www.almasryalyoum.com/news/details/623371) newspaper has published a selection of Charlie Hebdo’s satirical cartoons on the web this afternoon. Moderate muslims - the huge majority - are going to be as shocked and disgusted by this attack as anybody. From the BBC’s coverage: [QUOTE=BBC] Hassan Chalghoumi - an imam of the Paris suburb of Drancy, visited the site of the attack at Charlie Hebdo headquarters. Of the attackers, he said: “Their prophet is Satan. There is no connection between the Islamic faith and this minority.” [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/50 "2015-01-07T17:24:51Z")
> [@JoseB](#): > > I would also emotionally like for the French government to pick up a few of the very old veteran interrogators of the Algerian War and put them to work on the killers for a while. Although that would not be useful, would only serve to slack my burning thirst for a measure of horrible revenge, and would probably be counter-productive in the end. So better not. > > Although, if I am 100% honest, I must confess that I would love to see those killer’s nuts connected to the terminals of a telephone dynamo for a while. And I feel somewhat ashamed for feeling that way. Oh well. I suggest a subtler approach: 1. Officially enter into the record a ream of certified statements from assorted imams that such acts are “contrary to Islam”. 2. Officially declare that the usual religious accommodations for prisoners are therefore inapplicable. 3. Bacon-and-beer diet (pureed and poured into gullet if necessary). (Optional: Translate the old Bac-O’s doggie treat commercial “IT’S BACON!” line into French, play at Concorde-takeoff volume at dinnertine.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/51 "2015-01-07T17:27:54Z")
> [@Teuton](#): > > An [Egyptian](http://www.almasryalyoum.com/news/details/623371) newspaper has published a selection of Charlie Hebdo’s satirical cartoons on the web this afternoon. > > Moderate muslims - the huge majority - are going to be as shocked and disgusted by this attack as anybody. From the BBC’s coverage: Only if you define “moderate muslims” as only those muslims who are shocked by this attack. Plus, your argument says nothing about the idea of mass-publishing the image(s) or some other picture or article that makes fun of Islam. We see this over and over again that so-called “moderate” muslims support barbaric practices, included death for blasphemy. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/52 "2015-01-07T17:27:59Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > No religion is better than any other religion (although the faithful of each may obviously think so). That is a stupid thing to say. A religion that _doesn’t_ revolve around murdering thousands of people is clearly better than the Aztec religion, for one obvious example. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/53 "2015-01-07T17:31:47Z")
> [@Teuton](#): > > Moderate muslims - the huge majority - are going to be as shocked and disgusted by this attack as anybody. From the BBC’s coverage: What number is that huge majority? ---
**Author:** ![Teuton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teuton/32/3864_2.png) [@Teuton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teuton)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/54 "2015-01-07T17:32:41Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Only if you define “moderate muslims” as only those muslims who are shocked by this attack. My position is that such muslims are the overwhelming majority. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/55 "2015-01-07T17:34:49Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Whatever we do, it should be a knee-jerk response spewed out by the most emotionally enraged among us. If that’s me, then I choose that they be imprisoned forever, and forced to watch cartoons that make fun of Mohammed all day. Then they are tested to make sure that they payed attention, and if they don’t pass, they get waterboarded with pig urine. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/56 "2015-01-07T17:39:11Z")
> [@Teuton](#): > > My position is that such muslims are the overwhelming majority. My position is that [you’re deluding yourself.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/) ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/57 "2015-01-07T17:40:40Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Oh, it is soooo “partisan” to point out that policemen showed up at the scene, saw armed men and ran away. Don’t be coy. You’re not too stupid to know that: > [@Terr](#): > > Unarmed police is such a great concept. . . . this insightful analysis, taking one data point of one event and expanding it into a sarcastic jab at a public policy choice that no one in this thread had brought up, is the partisanship of which you’re being accused. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/58 "2015-01-07T17:44:30Z")
> [@Teuton](#): > > An [Egyptian](http://www.almasryalyoum.com/news/details/623371) newspaper has published a selection of Charlie Hebdo’s satirical cartoons on the web this afternoon. > > Moderate muslims - the huge majority - are going to be as shocked and disgusted by this attack as anybody. From the BBC’s coverage: > > [QUOTE=BBC] > > Hassan Chalghoumi - an imam of the Paris suburb of Drancy, visited the site of the attack at Charlie Hebdo headquarters. > Of the attackers, he said: “Their prophet is Satan. There is no connection between the Islamic faith and this minority.” [/QUOTE] But facts would indicate that there is a connection between Islam and murderous fuckhead barbarianism. Sorry, imam. Care to try again? ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/59 "2015-01-07T17:47:18Z")
Islam is not a sacred cow. It’s just an idea and that’s it. I reserve the right to mock it and those who follow it. Just as I reserve the right to mock Haredim who want flights segregated by gender, Catholics who care more about ectopic pregnancies than actual people and the Amish who don’t let their kids go to high school. Fuck all this shit. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Why_Bother)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/60 "2015-01-07T18:12:41Z")
> [@Count Blucher](#): > > No religion is better than any other religion (although the faithful of each may obviously think so). Not true. Some religions are worse than others (no-one’s lying awake at night worrying about the Jains or the Quakers), and Islam is one of the worst we’ve got. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213.md?page=4)