# Breaking news: terrorists attack French publisher, 11 dead. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 7, 2015, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213 "2015-01-07T12:32:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/141 "2015-01-08T02:43:39Z")
If you haven’t seen the story in the Daily Mail, try this link: > **[Charlie Hebdo cartoonist reveals how she survived attack](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900750/I-let-terrorists-Charlie-Hebdo-offices-cowered-desk-daughter-watched-execute-cartoonists-Cartoonist-reveals-survived-attack.html)** > > Charlie Hebdo cartoonist, Corinne Rey (pictured), and her daughter watched helplessly as two of her colleagues were shot dead by masked attackers who claimed to be Al Qaeda fighters. Many pictures of the event. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/142 "2015-01-08T02:46:50Z")
> [@Nema98](#): > > Why only satire Islam, why not Jews or perhaps depict Jesus Christ molesting children? How come always Muhammed? Not at all saying that there was an excuse, just putting out questions. > > Hopefully they get the killers. So you won’t mind if “I just put out some answers to your questions”, will you? ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/143 "2015-01-08T02:48:06Z")
> [@Nema98](#): > > Why only satire Islam, why not Jews or perhaps depict Jesus Christ molesting children? How come always Muhammed? Not at all saying that there was an excuse, just putting out questions. > > Hopefully they get the killers. The magazine was known for satirising pretty much everyone, so you’re asking the wrong question. The right question is: Why is it that only depictions of Muhammad result in bloodshed? ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/144 "2015-01-08T02:49:53Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Well, duh, you seething mass of bacilli, they took cover behind their car after they heard gunfire. They didn’t charge right into the bank in order to save the possible victims. > > You seem to think, for what limited value the word “thinking” has in your brain cell, that two American patrol officers would have charged right in and made everything all right in Paris today. > > The two police killed today include the bodyguard for the magazine’s editor, who was probably armed, for all the good it did him, and a bicycle patrol officer, probably unarmed. I find it despicable that you feel the deaths of these two fine men, and the deaths of the ten others who were murdered, is worth only your pushing a partisan political point. You can simply resume eating shit, as far as I’m concerned. Remember the 1989 massacre of those women in Montreal? The first police who arrived on the scene had guns. But they wouldn’t leave their cars until they were certain they would be safe. They waited in their cars for 30 minutes during which time more women could have been slaughtered. The gunman was already dead. But these cops didn’t know that. I lost almost all my respect for the police on that day. By the way, many things in Montreal are taken from France - including attitudes. I’m surprised the Montreal police have had guns for many years now while the Paris cops do not. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/145 "2015-01-08T02:51:04Z")
> [@Nema98](#): > > Why only satire Islam, why not Jews or perhaps depict Jesus Christ molesting children? How come always Muhammed? Not at all saying that there was an excuse, just putting out questions. > > Hopefully they get the killers. No offense, but do keep up. Charlie Hedbo has been mercilessly satirizing anything and everything worth satirizing since 1969 and is part of a tradition going back to Marie-Antoinette. Jews and Catholics don’t gun down innocents over cartoons. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/146 "2015-01-08T02:53:51Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yes, the two that got killed were the armed police apparently. The ones that ran away were the unarmed ones. Not that I blame them - going unarmed against AK-47s is a bit much. I blame the rules that send them out unarmed. The Daily Mail Online has a picture of one policeman who did have a gun and engaged in some shooting. Unfortunately, or Typically, the only person this cop shot was himself. How fucking unbelievable is that? > **[Charlie Hebdo cartoonist reveals how she survived attack](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900750/I-let-terrorists-Charlie-Hebdo-offices-cowered-desk-daughter-watched-execute-cartoonists-Cartoonist-reveals-survived-attack.html)** > > Charlie Hebdo cartoonist, Corinne Rey (pictured), and her daughter watched helplessly as two of her colleagues were shot dead by masked attackers who claimed to be Al Qaeda fighters. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/147 "2015-01-08T02:54:33Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Sure it could. I keep hearing about “growing anti-semitism” (mostly among the growing Muslim population) and “growing anti-immigration” and “growing anti-islamization” so it seems reasonable attacks such as these could fuel growing anti-islamization. Why would it remain static? There is room for more growth. The size of demonstrations could grow. I would be surprised if the _ratios_ changed much. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/148 "2015-01-08T03:03:11Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > The Daily Mail Online has a picture of one policeman who did have a gun and engaged in some shooting. > > Unfortunately, or Typically, the only person this cop shot was himself. > > How fucking unbelievable is that? > > [Charlie Hebdo cartoonist reveals terrorists threatened to murder her toddler | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900750/I-let-terrorists-Charlie-Hebdo-offices-cowered-desk-daughter-watched-execute-cartoonists-Cartoonist-reveals-survived-attack.html) Where does your link demonstrate anything you said? ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/149 "2015-01-08T03:06:54Z")
I started a thread a few months back pitting Modern Islam. This is why. … ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/150 "2015-01-08T03:26:02Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Well, duh, you seething mass of bacilli, they took cover behind their car after they heard gunfire. They didn’t charge right into the bank in order to save the possible victims. That’s quite different from fleeing the scene. Or even from “backing off”. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/151 "2015-01-08T03:27:20Z")
> [@Nema98](#): > > Why only satire Islam, why not Jews or perhaps depict Jesus Christ molesting children? How come always Muhammed? Not at all saying that there was an excuse, just putting out questions. > > Hopefully they get the killers. The same magazine printed cartoons that were just as “offensive” to Jews and Christians. So, no, it is not “always Muhammed”. The difference is that the offended Jews and Christians did not go in and murder the cartoonists. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/152 "2015-01-08T03:45:02Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Where does your link demonstrate anything you said? I noticed that too. Also, the Daily Mail isn’t the most respected source in the UK. I’m surprised sometimes their coverage is pretty comprehensive, but still not the most trusted source. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/153 "2015-01-08T04:40:39Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > The Daily Mail Online has a picture of one policeman who did have a gun and engaged in some shooting. > > Unfortunately, or Typically, the only person this cop shot was himself. > > How fucking unbelievable is that? > > [Charlie Hebdo cartoonist reveals terrorists threatened to murder her toddler | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900750/I-let-terrorists-Charlie-Hebdo-offices-cowered-desk-daughter-watched-execute-cartoonists-Cartoonist-reveals-survived-attack.html) Where in your link is there any claim about the cop shooting himself. Rather classy comment by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/154 "2015-01-08T04:44:10Z")
> [@Nema98](#): > > Why only satire Islam, why not Jews or perhaps depict Jesus Christ molesting children? How come always Muhammed? Not at all saying that there was an excuse, just putting out questions. > > Hopefully they get the killers. Not from Hebdo, but I know many people who find the image of [God the Father](https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dios+el+jueves&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=KgmuVObcNcf2UrWGgugG&ved=0CCIQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=629) in slippers having generational issues with the Son highly offensive; some of them find the Divine Love Handles even more offensive. They rarely do anything beyond roll their eyes, though, or say that “it’s not right”. Some guest stars you can see in the same search page: Buddha, Kali, Odin, Allah, Manitou… Hebdo and similar mags don’t limit themselves to Muhammed. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/155 "2015-01-08T04:49:18Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Jews and Catholics don’t gun down innocents over cartoons. Actually, lots of Catholics in Belfast would just a few decades ago happily murder anyone they saw spray painting “Fuck the Pope” on a wall. The difference is not the theological differences between Catholicism and Islam but that rightly or wrongly many French Muslims feel abused and oppressed and they strike back in ways that say American Muslims don’t in response to some Family Guy cartoons or American Christians did to The Last Temptation of Christ. Of Course Irish Catholics during the era of the Troubles felt abused and oppressed and reacted to perceived insults against their community in ways that would be considered far too extreme to say American Catholics. Hopefully the situation will change for Muslims and they won’t feel like they’re having war waged against them and react as such. None of that of course is to excuse today’s massacre or the atrocities of the IRA. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/156 "2015-01-08T04:51:25Z")
> [@Nema98](#): > > Why only satire Islam, why not Jews or perhaps depict Jesus Christ molesting children? How come always Muhammed? Not at all saying that there was an excuse, just putting out questions. Wildly mocking depictions on Charlie-Hebdo included the Pope(s), Jesus Christ and the apostles, Rabbis and stereotypical caricature Jews, Britain and Brits and the leaders of Britain and the rest of the EU, every French politician right and left and labor leader, industrial bosses, celebrities, et-goddamn-cetera. Even one: “Michael Jackson, finally White” portraying his bleached skeleton. Quite a number of publications across the world are reprinting some of those covers today, as part of [their various tributes](http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/charlie-hebdo-front-pages)to their fallen colleagues. Meanwhile pictures tightly cropped so the offending covers don’t appear, or the blurry pixels being deployed aggressively, is what you are getting in American media outlets. Can’t say I blame them but please don’t give me bullshit about it being because they do not want to further offend. We know it just clicked in their heads: “Holy shit, _I_ could get _KILLED!_” or “Holy shit, someone working for this network could get _killed_ and WE could get SUED!” ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/157 "2015-01-08T04:57:14Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Where in your link is there any claim about the cop shooting himself. > > Rather classy comment by the way. Oh. Well, I would explain it to you but there #&\*^% %@!@@!@ ^&%^ Sorry. It would just be too easy. Sort of like shooting turkeys in a barrel. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/158 "2015-01-08T05:17:47Z")
By way of explanation, a news organization can put out a news story and then people can post links to that story. Later, the news organization can edit or change their story so it is different. When people then try the link, they find something that was not previously there or look for something that was previously there but is now removed. In this case, The Daily Mail Online posted a picture of a police man who had accidentally shot himself on the same page as the Paris Massacre story. But then they removed that picture. I will leave it to you to figure out why they did that and how you can find the original picture now. Good luck. If you get stuck, just ask any ten year old to help you. But in the future, if you are going to ask someone for help, it’s best if you don’t insult them in the very same post that you ask them for some help. Otherwise they may just tell you to stick it up your ass or something else classy like that. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/159 "2015-01-08T05:32:16Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Actually, lots of Catholics in Belfast would just a few decades ago happily murder anyone they saw spray painting “Fuck the Pope” on a wall. > > The difference is not the theological differences between Catholicism and Islam but that rightly or wrongly many French Muslims feel abused and oppressed and they strike back in ways that say American Muslims don’t in response to some Family Guy cartoons or American Christians did to The Last Temptation of Christ. > > Of Course Irish Catholics during the era of the Troubles felt abused and oppressed and reacted to perceived insults against their community in ways that would be considered far too extreme to say American Catholics. > > Hopefully the situation will change for Muslims and they won’t feel like they’re having war waged against them and react as such. > > None of that of course is to excuse today’s massacre or the atrocities of the IRA. With all due respect, as regards Belfast, you are talking out of your rear end. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213/160 "2015-01-08T05:39:53Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > In this case, The Daily Mail Online posted a picture of a police man who had accidentally shot himself on the same page as the Paris Massacre story. But then they removed that picture. Daily Mail posts a lot of videos, unrelated to the story, as click bait on the page of the story. In this case,[this is the video](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1148744/Moment-duty-cop-accidentally-shoots-elevator.html) you’re referring to. It has nothing to do with the events in France, and yes, it is still linked to on the page that you cited (you may have to click around on the “Most Watched Videos” to find it). It was not removed. What’s your point? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-terrorists-attack-french-publisher-11-dead/709213.md?page=9)