Yes, I have little doubt her views are a bit more extreme than I described. However, from the quotes ascribed to her in the given article I dont think she was completely wrong on this issue. An issue that is not settled in any modern State and which the greatest minds in the Western world have still completely to come to terms with.
Laura Ingraham != Laura Schlesinger. Schlesinger is a Ph.D., Ingraham is a JD.
If your scare quotes are implying that Dr. Laura is not a legitimate Ph.D., you are wrong.
Regards,
Shodan
Kudos for Post #78.
Didn’t she have a radio program where she solved folk’s psychological problems by talking to them on the radio for five minutes?
:dubious:
I think it the scare quotes were more about the lie of omission, that “Doctor” Laura’s PhD was in physiology, but she was using the title on a radio program acting as a psyhotherapist.
A bit of a false dichotomy because a religion can be many different things to many different people. Unfortunately, right now, it would seem that most muslims are on board with capital punishment for blasphemy. That is not to say it is essential to that religion. Most Christians probably felt the same way 400 years ago, but not now. Islam needs a reformation, plain and simple. And it isn’t going to be fun to watch.
I was not suggesting we cave in. There is a difference between caving in and deliberately mass-producing stuff that is known to provoke violence for no reason other than to “stick it to them”.
She’s a physiology Ph.D. posing as some kind of psychologist. The scare-quotes stay.
My doctors at least have the decency to solve my problems by having their PA talk to me face-to-face for five minutes.
No, she wasn’t. A radio call-in program is in no way psychotherapy.
Things like the Pewstudy on attitudes toward sharia indeed reveal some seriously backward shit about the Muslim world. But I think there’s a big difference between checking the “strongly approve” box on a survey and actually going out and doing that thing. My WAG is that a vanishingly small percentage of actual blasphemy is punished by death in the Muslim world overall, though I’d welcome a cite showing otherwise.
Surveying the landscape of commentary on today’s attack, I think people have lost perspective of what a real war with Islam would look like: shootings and bombings and attacks of this nature not a handful of times per year, but daily. If this is what the Western world under siege looks like, count me grateful. I haven’t seen anyone propose a serious plan that stands a chance to meaningfully reduce the occurrence of these attacks, which implies it may just be something we have to live unless anyone wants to go out and commit mass genocide of a billion people (which, in fact, some people I know do).
Additional information, taken from an update to the website of the newspaper “Le Monde” made around 9:05 PM Paris time:
"LeMonde.fr: De sources policières obtenues par Le Monde, les trois suspects de l’attaque ont été identifiés. "
Translation: “Le Monde has obtained the information, from police sources, that the three suspects in the attack have been identified.”
If that is so, and the ID is correct (and I consider “Le Monde” as a serious source of information)… Great!! Rather impressive to have ID’d the perps so soon.
I guess that they were able to lift fingerprints from the getaway car(s) that got abandoned in the pursuit. If the ID was made through them, this means that the French police has those guys on file.
From there it should be relatively straightforward to go on to known acquaintances and associates.
This is a big leap forward.
Incidentally, Clairobscur… I understand you live in Paris. If you have “fresher” information to share, I am sure it will be very welcome.
Why else? And I wouldn’t call it very surprising or unexpected. France was expecting attacks.
This woman is totally off base in everything she wrote (immigration policies past and present, views of the elites past and present, multiculturalism). She obviously knows nothing about what she’s commenting and is talking out of her ass.
Sure, but it’s also an indication of how many nod with approval when it’s actually done. State sponsored death for blasphemy would put that state in a difficult political position wrt its relation with other countries, so lesser penalties are more likely to be imposed. We’ve seen huge demonstration against the blasphemers, but not so much against the executioners.
Most of the guys who enlist into radical islamism in France seem to be from pretty well assimilated families. The parents barely ever enter a mosque, the son grows a beard and go to fight in Syria.
They think they can silence others through violence. If we cower away, and censor the images in question like the Telegraph disgustingly did, and stop speaking freely, we’re absolutely caving in to their demands.
What better way to say “you’re not going to silence us, stop even bothering to try” than shouting whatever it is they’re so gravely offended by a million times louder, in complete solidarity with the entirety of the non-barbaric world?
Watching France24 (French news TV channel). The police has apparently identified the three perps. French citizens from Argelian families that had been born and living in France their whole lives; two brothers in their 30s, and the third a young 18-year old man.
Looking for them right now.
FWIW, the Spanish satirical magazine “Mongolia” is going to reprint every anti-ISIL cartoon ever printed by “Charlie Hebdo”.
Yes, that was my point. Nothing new or unexpected has happened here; there is no particular reason to think it would change the ratios of demonstrations.
The Germans seem to manage both very well armed police (even by US standards as some still have their MP5s available in their car.) Local factors obviously may play in to it. Some of the factors that may reduce use of deadly force by police (like a mostly disarmed populace) are the similar between Germany and France though.
Even two typical US patrol officers would have been at a disadvantage in this situation. Maybe between them they have one shotgun or rifle in the car to supplement their pistols. That’s against three better armed terrorists. There’s still a disparity of force that favors the terrorists. The implications that two pistol carrying officers would have stopped this seems off base. The odds certainly would have been better if they’d had pistols instead of simply being able to observe and report though.
Breaking news from “France24”:
Regarding the suspects, the two 30-something year olds are from Paris. The 18-year old is from Reims.
Also, right now the police is carrying out a raid in Reims. No word from “France24” as to whether this has anything to do with the attack.
Reims is 80 miles NE from Paris.